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whatever the intent,
your action was foolish
please do not reveal further information from the site...
you may find the reprisals can be more individually focused than group-affective...from either side...
whatever the intent,
your action was foolish
please do not reveal further information from the site...
you may find the reprisals can be more individually focused than group-affective...from either side...
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ignorance is bliss
i would advocate that all ryanair and repa members refrain from being drawn in by such a ploy.mearse" knows nothing" and that is why he is here to vent his spleen.the control is lost.why did he not post the ever increasing numbers of repa members.
ignore him and do not reply to his or any other posts of this nature.let him rant away.we at least have our pride.let him take it up the jacksie from the top table if he so wishes.he might even catch a few crumbs from the table like the lords dog.
ar aigaidh an bothar leat,mo chairde!
ignore him and do not reply to his or any other posts of this nature.let him rant away.we at least have our pride.let him take it up the jacksie from the top table if he so wishes.he might even catch a few crumbs from the table like the lords dog.
ar aigaidh an bothar leat,mo chairde!
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Ní scéal rúin é ó tá a fhios ag triúr é
"We do not want the dates of these meetings publicised. Please do not talk or speculate here about these meetings.The issue here is prudence, not censorship. UNDER NO CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD REFERENCE BE MADE TO THESE MEETINGS ON PPRUNE - you might as well telephone Ryanair directly.
Contrary to what most Ryanair pilots may think, it is surprising what does NOT get back to management. IALPA is satisfied - and very pleased - that very little got back over the summer. We would like to keep it like that.
When the meetings are over, please conduct any discussions here with caution.
Additional Information
We will share with all REPA members IALPA's belief that these may turn out to be the most important IALPA meetings that the Dublin and Shannon pilots will ever attend. (BALPA members based in Dublin are not only welcome to attend, but will also be equal partners in all deliberations, decisions, etc. This invitation has been communicated to the BALPA pilots by IALPA). Given the significance of the issues to be discussed, and unlike our earlier meetings, they will be restricted to IALPA and BALPA members.
We will provide as much information as we can about these meetings once they are over, though the details will depend upon the decisions reached by those attending. Details of the proposals may not be made public for a few weeks. This is because there maybe more to come and we wish to prevent Ryanair from preparing its defences.
The bottom line: a long period of preperation came to an end with the establishment of REPA. In the overall plan events may dictate modifications, delays, etc. but please accept that a lot of work has gone into creating a strategy which minimises the risks to individual pilots in Ryanair but which also holds out the prospect of significant change.
Remember: you will always be free to deny:
i) that you know anything
ii) that you are a member of REPA, and
iii) that you are a member of any association
As many of you will already know, BALPA and IALPA have already agreed that we will never claim more than 85% membership in any particular base or category (captains, co-pilots, contractors... whatever).
Therefore credible deniability will always be an option for you. Turn the tables: if you end up forced into a "little chat" use it to get information about their latest scheme, rather than give information to them."
Contrary to what most Ryanair pilots may think, it is surprising what does NOT get back to management. IALPA is satisfied - and very pleased - that very little got back over the summer. We would like to keep it like that.
When the meetings are over, please conduct any discussions here with caution.
Additional Information
We will share with all REPA members IALPA's belief that these may turn out to be the most important IALPA meetings that the Dublin and Shannon pilots will ever attend. (BALPA members based in Dublin are not only welcome to attend, but will also be equal partners in all deliberations, decisions, etc. This invitation has been communicated to the BALPA pilots by IALPA). Given the significance of the issues to be discussed, and unlike our earlier meetings, they will be restricted to IALPA and BALPA members.
We will provide as much information as we can about these meetings once they are over, though the details will depend upon the decisions reached by those attending. Details of the proposals may not be made public for a few weeks. This is because there maybe more to come and we wish to prevent Ryanair from preparing its defences.
The bottom line: a long period of preperation came to an end with the establishment of REPA. In the overall plan events may dictate modifications, delays, etc. but please accept that a lot of work has gone into creating a strategy which minimises the risks to individual pilots in Ryanair but which also holds out the prospect of significant change.
Remember: you will always be free to deny:
i) that you know anything
ii) that you are a member of REPA, and
iii) that you are a member of any association
As many of you will already know, BALPA and IALPA have already agreed that we will never claim more than 85% membership in any particular base or category (captains, co-pilots, contractors... whatever).
Therefore credible deniability will always be an option for you. Turn the tables: if you end up forced into a "little chat" use it to get information about their latest scheme, rather than give information to them."
Self declaration: I am not, have never and never intend to be employed in Ryanair.
In my opinion the individual relaying from the REPA site is doing REPA a favour. It may be that he/she intends to intimidate by exposing the depth of knowledge that MOL has (or now has following the disclosures) if that is the case, what he/she is really doing is exposing the limits of their knowledge i.e. depths of ignorance. This is very useful information and should be manipulated accordingly.
Good luck with the establishment of a safe and humane regime
In my opinion the individual relaying from the REPA site is doing REPA a favour. It may be that he/she intends to intimidate by exposing the depth of knowledge that MOL has (or now has following the disclosures) if that is the case, what he/she is really doing is exposing the limits of their knowledge i.e. depths of ignorance. This is very useful information and should be manipulated accordingly.
Good luck with the establishment of a safe and humane regime
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There will always be 'moles' and company-men in any association guys. The Aer Lingus wing of IALPA will tell you this quite clearly...every meeting was attended by them...they usually sat at the front and took notes.
They were never hard to spot, and they were well known to all.
On several occassions members stood up at meetings, pointed them out, and asked that they be removed from the meeting.
On every occassion a member of the executive would point out that their presence was useful in relaying to management the seriousness of intent, anger, and commitment at the meeting.
Let him waffle away. He is a messenger boy and only helps your cause. He should remember that the Ryanair members of REPA could probably point him out in a crowd already.
They were never hard to spot, and they were well known to all.
On several occassions members stood up at meetings, pointed them out, and asked that they be removed from the meeting.
On every occassion a member of the executive would point out that their presence was useful in relaying to management the seriousness of intent, anger, and commitment at the meeting.
Let him waffle away. He is a messenger boy and only helps your cause. He should remember that the Ryanair members of REPA could probably point him out in a crowd already.
Remember: you will always be free to deny:
i) that you know anything
ii) that you are a member of REPA, and
iii) that you are a member of any association
i) that you know anything
ii) that you are a member of REPA, and
iii) that you are a member of any association
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all ryanair pilots log on to www.repaweb.org for the latest important developments.
for those considering an action breaking move back to dublin,this is most important to you.
just see what you are really getting into.
for those considering an action breaking move back to dublin,this is most important to you.
just see what you are really getting into.
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pressman,i would like to but repa rules do not allow.suffice to say that excess 300 heads at repa and a lot of pilots futures, and not just those in ryanair,riding on the outcome.this is the real deal.
ryanair pilots,now is your time to be counted,fight or flight.
ryanair pilots,now is your time to be counted,fight or flight.
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Hi Grim, et al.
I have a question for you. What, in precise terms, do you want from the Ryans that you don't already have now? What do you hope to achieve with this REPA bollox? And the real clincher, in a contest between a few disgruntled whingers among a group renown for their independance of thought and action, and Himself the evil leprechaun, lapdog of Bealzebub himself, do you really, really think anything will come of it? Would you care to have a little wager on the outcome? Sure bets come along so rarely!
I have a question for you. What, in precise terms, do you want from the Ryans that you don't already have now? What do you hope to achieve with this REPA bollox? And the real clincher, in a contest between a few disgruntled whingers among a group renown for their independance of thought and action, and Himself the evil leprechaun, lapdog of Bealzebub himself, do you really, really think anything will come of it? Would you care to have a little wager on the outcome? Sure bets come along so rarely!
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Hi Bealzebub,
Sorry for taking thy name in vein, oh Prince of Darkness. It probably won't happen again.
Hi Grim,
What a sorry little girl you are. Rather than answer the question about what you want that you don't already have....what it is you expect Repa to do for your twerp existence, you revert, again, to insults and name calling. I don't intend to join you in your fiesta of abuse, but you do need some guidance, it would appear, as to Antipodean tastes.
I think you'll find that warm beer and pig-ugly women are an English affliction. Along with appalling teeth, the ugliest, least functional airports on earth, uninspired architecture, and a truly dazzling sense of entitlement, displayed so admirably by your bad self, Grim. Now then, how about we all play nice, like gwone-ups, and focus on the issues at hand, eh? There's a good girl.
Ozi.
Sorry for taking thy name in vein, oh Prince of Darkness. It probably won't happen again.
Hi Grim,
What a sorry little girl you are. Rather than answer the question about what you want that you don't already have....what it is you expect Repa to do for your twerp existence, you revert, again, to insults and name calling. I don't intend to join you in your fiesta of abuse, but you do need some guidance, it would appear, as to Antipodean tastes.
I think you'll find that warm beer and pig-ugly women are an English affliction. Along with appalling teeth, the ugliest, least functional airports on earth, uninspired architecture, and a truly dazzling sense of entitlement, displayed so admirably by your bad self, Grim. Now then, how about we all play nice, like gwone-ups, and focus on the issues at hand, eh? There's a good girl.
Ozi.
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Many a day has passed...
Many a day hath passed since I last frequented this site, and look where it has come to...
As usual, SM is playing up to his old tricks...shame he can't get the details right...
And now there is open public abuse between an Australian and an apparent Irishman...or whatever nationality for that matter...
Ms. Turret, I doubt you comprehend the state in which Ryanair employees find themselves today, as well as the level of intimidation and pure disrespect...
Ill give you an insider's look into what we put up with...SM is management, getting his details secondhand, posting them just to further scare us and aleviate as best the company can an unstoppable uprising...
This I say without any intention towards disrespect or insult...
On the other hand, should you be a FRyer, I would highly recommend you take a look at repaweb.org and realise just exactly what the company you work for is doing, is planning to do, and is ommiting to tell you...
Ryanair does NOT give their staff the best conditions in the industry!
Ryanair does NOT pay the best salaries neither in Europe nor Worldwide!
Ryanair does NOT provide a career building ethos!
As usual, SM is playing up to his old tricks...shame he can't get the details right...
And now there is open public abuse between an Australian and an apparent Irishman...or whatever nationality for that matter...
Ms. Turret, I doubt you comprehend the state in which Ryanair employees find themselves today, as well as the level of intimidation and pure disrespect...
Ill give you an insider's look into what we put up with...SM is management, getting his details secondhand, posting them just to further scare us and aleviate as best the company can an unstoppable uprising...
This I say without any intention towards disrespect or insult...
On the other hand, should you be a FRyer, I would highly recommend you take a look at repaweb.org and realise just exactly what the company you work for is doing, is planning to do, and is ommiting to tell you...
Ryanair does NOT give their staff the best conditions in the industry!
Ryanair does NOT pay the best salaries neither in Europe nor Worldwide!
Ryanair does NOT provide a career building ethos!
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I think you'll find that warm beer and pig-ugly women are an English affliction. Along with appalling teeth, the ugliest, least functional airports on earth, uninspired architecture, and a truly dazzling sense of entitlement, displayed so admirably by your bad self, Grim. Now then, how about we all play nice, like gwone-ups, and focus on the issues at hand, eh? There's a good girl.
You sure sound like him. same strain of verbal diahorrea anyhow.
Get it seen to..... there's a good girl.
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"What, in precise terms, do you want from the Ryans that you don't already have now?"
How about a standard contract, for starters?
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"What do you hope to achieve with this REPA bollox?"
Well if you read all the stuff that's been on PPRuNe for the last while you wouldn't need to ask, would you?
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"And the real clincher, in a contest between a few disgruntled whingers among a group renown for their independance of thought and action, and Himself the evil leprechaun, lapdog of Bealzebub himself, do you really, really think anything will come of it? Would you care to have a little wager on the outcome?"
As a great man once said, "the graveyards are full of indispensible people."
Of course, Ms. Turret, if you wish to discuss any of your concerns with other FR colleagues (presuming you are an "FRyer"), please sign up to the REPA website where debate ensues!
"What, in precise terms, do you want from the Ryans that you don't already have now?"
How about a standard contract, for starters?
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"What do you hope to achieve with this REPA bollox?"
Well if you read all the stuff that's been on PPRuNe for the last while you wouldn't need to ask, would you?
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"And the real clincher, in a contest between a few disgruntled whingers among a group renown for their independance of thought and action, and Himself the evil leprechaun, lapdog of Bealzebub himself, do you really, really think anything will come of it? Would you care to have a little wager on the outcome?"
As a great man once said, "the graveyards are full of indispensible people."
Of course, Ms. Turret, if you wish to discuss any of your concerns with other FR colleagues (presuming you are an "FRyer"), please sign up to the REPA website where debate ensues!
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***WARNING***
I'd just like to make two points that should clarify what I expect from this thread:
1. The next poster who is unable to make their point in a civilised and dignified manner will find their efforts wasted as I will not hesitate to delete their post and any previous posts they may have made. Unless members who are opposing each others views and opinions can show a level of maturity and professionalism in such an important debate about T's & C's that may have repercussions for all of us at some time in the future, then what hope is there? I won't have REPA members use this board for self promotion, even if I did give them assistance in getting their message across, if they are unable to put their case forward without antagonism, even if a few other members are unable to contain their enthusiasm for playground antics and flaming.
2. If REPA is so worried that they have a rogue member who is posting information that they want to keep private on here then they should look to their own management of their members and not expect PPRuNe to censor any tidbits of news that are occasionally posted. This forum works both ways. The problems Ryanair pilots are facing have been aired and publicised and this forum has been used to rally others to the cause of REPA. If someone was not leaking information that REPA consider sensitive on here then how else would they know they have a problem in the first place? It works both ways and I would suggest to REPA that they find a way to release some information that would both bolster their recruitment drive and give the rest something to think about rather than just repetitive links to their website which are a dead end to anyone else trying to follow what is actually happening.
Anyone can join in the debate about what is happening at Ryanair with regard to the issues affecting their flight crew as long as you leave the tantrums, insults, immature behaviour and flaming in your crewbags.
1. The next poster who is unable to make their point in a civilised and dignified manner will find their efforts wasted as I will not hesitate to delete their post and any previous posts they may have made. Unless members who are opposing each others views and opinions can show a level of maturity and professionalism in such an important debate about T's & C's that may have repercussions for all of us at some time in the future, then what hope is there? I won't have REPA members use this board for self promotion, even if I did give them assistance in getting their message across, if they are unable to put their case forward without antagonism, even if a few other members are unable to contain their enthusiasm for playground antics and flaming.
2. If REPA is so worried that they have a rogue member who is posting information that they want to keep private on here then they should look to their own management of their members and not expect PPRuNe to censor any tidbits of news that are occasionally posted. This forum works both ways. The problems Ryanair pilots are facing have been aired and publicised and this forum has been used to rally others to the cause of REPA. If someone was not leaking information that REPA consider sensitive on here then how else would they know they have a problem in the first place? It works both ways and I would suggest to REPA that they find a way to release some information that would both bolster their recruitment drive and give the rest something to think about rather than just repetitive links to their website which are a dead end to anyone else trying to follow what is actually happening.
Anyone can join in the debate about what is happening at Ryanair with regard to the issues affecting their flight crew as long as you leave the tantrums, insults, immature behaviour and flaming in your crewbags.
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Danny aka has spoken.
However I don't think that he is being objective. Absolutely right when he says debates on any website, on any subject should be conducted in a manner becomming. But it was Ms. Turret (Ozi) who imported the use of inapproriate and insulting language and who reinforced the internationally held prejudice (though no doubt overstated) that nothing comes out of that large land that would not serve us all better by remaining there.
Danny also reflects his preoccupation that members of the Ryanair pilots organ repaweb are somehow subverting his website for publicity purposes and reflecting their paranoia regarding the postings of my colleague in aviation securitymearse .
Surely not, aren't they merely reflecting that the hughly successful airline that they work for continues to intimidate its employees and to treat them with disdain and total disrepect?
Let not Ryanair ever suggest that it is modelled on SWA.
Danny aka has spoken.
However I don't think that he is being objective. Absolutely right when he says debates on any website, on any subject should be conducted in a manner becomming. But it was Ms. Turret (Ozi) who imported the use of inapproriate and insulting language and who reinforced the internationally held prejudice (though no doubt overstated) that nothing comes out of that large land that would not serve us all better by remaining there.
Danny also reflects his preoccupation that members of the Ryanair pilots organ repaweb are somehow subverting his website for publicity purposes and reflecting their paranoia regarding the postings of my colleague in aviation securitymearse .
Surely not, aren't they merely reflecting that the hughly successful airline that they work for continues to intimidate its employees and to treat them with disdain and total disrepect?
Let not Ryanair ever suggest that it is modelled on SWA.
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I was hoping we could avoid an infantile "he/she started it first!", 'toys thrown out of the pram' tantrum. 
Alas, it seems some people prefer the 'handbags at twenty paces' farce. 
Just to reiterate, REPAWEB is more than welcome to provide links to their website, as long as any references to it are part of the debate and not just blatant advertising. Not too difficult a concept to grasp I would have imagined.
Alas, it seems some people prefer the 'handbags at twenty paces' farce. Just to reiterate, REPAWEB is more than welcome to provide links to their website, as long as any references to it are part of the debate and not just blatant advertising. Not too difficult a concept to grasp I would have imagined.