SAS pilots on brief strike to attend union meeting
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SAS pilots on brief strike to attend union meeting
SAS pilots on brief strike to attend union meeting today in CPH!
Finally someone in the industry puts their foot down and say enough is enough! A deal is a deal, and should be kept by both parties...
Well done!
I really hope they will ride the storm out & end up with a reasonable outcome!
I take my hat off in full support!
Good luck guys!
Ps I look fwd to hear from more initiated sources on the topic!
Finally someone in the industry puts their foot down and say enough is enough! A deal is a deal, and should be kept by both parties...
Well done!
I really hope they will ride the storm out & end up with a reasonable outcome!
I take my hat off in full support!
Good luck guys!
Ps I look fwd to hear from more initiated sources on the topic!
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KADS!
If there were a ligitamate reason for the strike I would agree with you but since the objektive is to scre... a body of pilots in Norway I think it is pathetic. If Lufthansa were to buy SAS one day would the SK pilots want the same treatment imposed on them as they want on the Braathens guys? I think NOT!
If there were a ligitamate reason for the strike I would agree with you but since the objektive is to scre... a body of pilots in Norway I think it is pathetic. If Lufthansa were to buy SAS one day would the SK pilots want the same treatment imposed on them as they want on the Braathens guys? I think NOT!
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SAS pilots just don´t want to pay the price of your free meal anymore.
Get a grip man. The problem I have now is that you all will be dragging me into the mud aswell.
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No need to get personal HC, that´s a bad sign.
And WHY has BU done fine for the last year and a half, since you 2 years ago was on the verge of bankrupcy? Seems everybody except the BU guys know the answer to that question!
Look, SAS pilots just want a fair for all deal. So far we´ve been scre*ed, and that´s gotta stop. And it will!!
Whatever would happen if LH bought SAS I have no idea. Maybe some Malmø Aviation guys would have an idea what could happen, but that´s not the deal SAS pilots are looking for.
Suggest you tell us what you BU pilots want from this deal!!
Suggest you get a grip man.
rgds Timilu.
And WHY has BU done fine for the last year and a half, since you 2 years ago was on the verge of bankrupcy? Seems everybody except the BU guys know the answer to that question!
Look, SAS pilots just want a fair for all deal. So far we´ve been scre*ed, and that´s gotta stop. And it will!!
Whatever would happen if LH bought SAS I have no idea. Maybe some Malmø Aviation guys would have an idea what could happen, but that´s not the deal SAS pilots are looking for.
Suggest you tell us what you BU pilots want from this deal!!
Suggest you get a grip man.
rgds Timilu.
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It is hard to believe that you could have 9 posts on an item and the whole thing be incomprehensible to an outsider.
I appreciate that English is the second language to some of the posters but why not answer post no. 2 from Dusk2Dawn?
WHATS IS ALL ABOUT?
I appreciate that English is the second language to some of the posters but why not answer post no. 2 from Dusk2Dawn?
WHATS IS ALL ABOUT?
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If LH bought SK, as a LH pilot I would presume that a deal that was signed between the union and the company would be respected! That is what I mean. In this case it is a seniority issue, but it could be anything. When the company cross the line and break a deal, it is about time it is acted upon. If SAS is not happy about the deal they should not have signed it, not so long ago....
Also, one should remember that a lot of SAS guys lost their jobs when Braathens was aquired. Braathens were mere months away from bankruptcy, so it is understandable that the SK union would want something in return for SK axing their own pilots to the benifit of the BU ones.
I am in no way opposing the BU pilots right to some seniority with this post but I am appreciating that something is done when the company is no longer standing by the signed deals...
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If LH bought SK, as a LH pilot I would presume that a deal that was signed between the union and the company would be respected! That is what I mean. In this case it is a seniority issue, but it could be anything. When the company cross the line and break a deal, it is about time it is acted upon. If SAS is not happy about the deal they should not have signed it, not so long ago....
Also, one should remember that a lot of SAS guys lost their jobs when Braathens was aquired. Braathens were mere months away from bankruptcy, so it is understandable that the SK union would want something in return for SK axing their own pilots to the benifit of the BU ones.
I am in no way opposing the BU pilots right to some seniority with this post but I am appreciating that something is done when the company is no longer standing by the signed deals...
rgds
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KADS,
Do you really believe that SAS bought Braathens to be nice? You know as well as I do that if SAS hadn´t bought Braathens somebody else would have. If that had happened SAS would have been in even more trouble. There were actually two other scenerios if SAS hadn´t done their smartest deal in a long time.
Braathens was much more efficient the SAS was at the time. Our "turnaround" had actually begone three years earlier. SAS beeing a lot larger than Braathens and partly owned buy three separate governments, had a bigger bag of cash to use than the Braathens family had. Ergo they (the family) decided to sell out! By the first year owned by SAS, Braathens made a larger profitt than the buying price was!! In other words we´ve actually been sponsoring the SAS guys sallary for quite a while. They themselfs have yet to make money! When it comes to seniority the Norwegian law is quite clear! Equall rights! The SAS guys don´t want that . They want to impose penalties because they have done this to others before! A wrong thing doesn´t become right just because you keep on repeting it, does it?
Do you really believe that SAS bought Braathens to be nice? You know as well as I do that if SAS hadn´t bought Braathens somebody else would have. If that had happened SAS would have been in even more trouble. There were actually two other scenerios if SAS hadn´t done their smartest deal in a long time.
Braathens was much more efficient the SAS was at the time. Our "turnaround" had actually begone three years earlier. SAS beeing a lot larger than Braathens and partly owned buy three separate governments, had a bigger bag of cash to use than the Braathens family had. Ergo they (the family) decided to sell out! By the first year owned by SAS, Braathens made a larger profitt than the buying price was!! In other words we´ve actually been sponsoring the SAS guys sallary for quite a while. They themselfs have yet to make money! When it comes to seniority the Norwegian law is quite clear! Equall rights! The SAS guys don´t want that . They want to impose penalties because they have done this to others before! A wrong thing doesn´t become right just because you keep on repeting it, does it?
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Why is it when a company is about to go bust, and it is bought by another, the pilots that would otherwise be out of a job, get special treatment?
Would logic not dictate that if you loose your job, you apply for a new one in the surviving one. In this case SAS. Maybe one day LH.
Thereby ending on the bottom of the new list. LIFO principle! Beats being unemployed!
Why is it fair that some young bloke, at the bottom of the SAS list should have a bunch of BU guy in front of him. If the BU guy liked SAS so much, wouldnt he have applied there earlier.
Its a dog eat dog business. Will someone explain what happened in Malmo Aviation.
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Would logic not dictate that if you loose your job, you apply for a new one in the surviving one. In this case SAS. Maybe one day LH.
Thereby ending on the bottom of the new list. LIFO principle! Beats being unemployed!
Why is it fair that some young bloke, at the bottom of the SAS list should have a bunch of BU guy in front of him. If the BU guy liked SAS so much, wouldnt he have applied there earlier.
Its a dog eat dog business. Will someone explain what happened in Malmo Aviation.
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Payscale,
First of all Braathens wasn´t bankrupt! Secondly someone other than SAS would have bought it and I´d still have a job.
When it comes to seniority, you may not like it but it´s the law!
What is so hard to understand?
When it comes to Malmø Aviation there was never a merger. If there had been we would have had to follow the law!
First of all Braathens wasn´t bankrupt! Secondly someone other than SAS would have bought it and I´d still have a job.
When it comes to seniority, you may not like it but it´s the law!
What is so hard to understand?
When it comes to Malmø Aviation there was never a merger. If there had been we would have had to follow the law!
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Payscale,
More or less the same thing happened at Malmø as with Busy Bee and Transwede (was it Transwede?). The BU boys had no qualms about scr**w*ng them. Now they´re upset ´cause they´re getting the short end.
More or less the same thing happened at Malmø as with Busy Bee and Transwede (was it Transwede?). The BU boys had no qualms about scr**w*ng them. Now they´re upset ´cause they´re getting the short end.
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First of all Braathens wasn´t bankrupt!
Secondly someone other than SAS would have bought it and I´d still have a job.
) would have kept all the BU pilots, and letting them maintain their old collective agreements without major consessions? No way! Your asses would have been whipped severely. SAS did not buy BU to be nice, and neither would any other buyer. They would have squeezed the lemon to the maximum, and you would have accepted it to keep as many jobs as you could. The only difference is that SAS wanted to use you in the inside competition in SAS group. You might have been able to save your ass if someone other than SAS had bought BU, but at what price? The fact is that nobody wanted to buy Braathens. (In hindsight, there might have been one buyer, though, namely Bjørn Kjos and his Norwegian Air shuttle. Wouldnt that have been ironic...
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When it comes to seniority, you may not like it but it´s the law!
There were actually two other scenerios if SAS hadn´t done their smartest deal in a long time.
Just a little hint: Try to remember which company bought which the next time you reply.
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Negotiation experts always advise to seek win-win solutions – easy to say but not easy to do with airline mergers. Nevertheless it is important to try because one will probably have to work together in the future. The question if one party should be grateful and give up more than the other is difficult, especially if the parties are somewhat equal. In the SAS-BU (Braathens) case the fact remains that SAS bought Braathens.
There are always two sides to a story and the BU pilots claims that their part of the operation was not the cause of BU’s financial trouble and that SAS should appreciate that they were allowed to buy BU. The BU staff trusted SAS’ promises and did not exercise their possibilities to oppose the takeover.
In June 2004, SAS CEO Joergen Lindegaard expressed that it was no secret that BU is a more efficient company. The BU management had over invested in Malmø Aviation and lost lots of money which brought BU into a financial catastrophe. The BU operation and production have always been more cost efficient than SAS. So when we took over and removed what they owed, they paid for themselves in one year. We paid 850 mio. for them which they made as a profit in one year. The purchase of BU was the best corporate deal I have ever made. Said Lindegaard and continued to explain that if we would not have taken over Braathens, how much help would a competitor – such as Norwegian – have gotten in the Norwegian market. That would have been my worst nightmare – that they could get a 50-60% market share.
The SAS pilots are upset, and rightfully so, because they have laid off a lot of pilots while BU have not. The question right now is how to merge the pilots together in a fair way.
When push comes to shove it is always a question about who has the most leverage.
With more than 2000 SAS pilots and less than 400 BU pilots it will be interesting to see if SAS CEO Lindegaard and SAS Corporate management will dare, or can afford to risk a labor conflict with the SAS pilots.
There are always two sides to a story and the BU pilots claims that their part of the operation was not the cause of BU’s financial trouble and that SAS should appreciate that they were allowed to buy BU. The BU staff trusted SAS’ promises and did not exercise their possibilities to oppose the takeover.
In June 2004, SAS CEO Joergen Lindegaard expressed that it was no secret that BU is a more efficient company. The BU management had over invested in Malmø Aviation and lost lots of money which brought BU into a financial catastrophe. The BU operation and production have always been more cost efficient than SAS. So when we took over and removed what they owed, they paid for themselves in one year. We paid 850 mio. for them which they made as a profit in one year. The purchase of BU was the best corporate deal I have ever made. Said Lindegaard and continued to explain that if we would not have taken over Braathens, how much help would a competitor – such as Norwegian – have gotten in the Norwegian market. That would have been my worst nightmare – that they could get a 50-60% market share.
The SAS pilots are upset, and rightfully so, because they have laid off a lot of pilots while BU have not. The question right now is how to merge the pilots together in a fair way.
When push comes to shove it is always a question about who has the most leverage.
With more than 2000 SAS pilots and less than 400 BU pilots it will be interesting to see if SAS CEO Lindegaard and SAS Corporate management will dare, or can afford to risk a labor conflict with the SAS pilots.
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Capt Haddock,
Nicely balanced mail.
The BU fellow,
Typical aggressive nationalistic norweigan. Do you really think BU was a financially strong company bullied by the bad bad SAS. I think you should be greateful that you have a job. I know plenty who doesnt, so that you may!
Nicely balanced mail.
The BU fellow,
Typical aggressive nationalistic norweigan. Do you really think BU was a financially strong company bullied by the bad bad SAS. I think you should be greateful that you have a job. I know plenty who doesnt, so that you may!
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Quote: "...or maybe have someone help you read it ..."
If this is Your highest level of discussion You will not get far, - or meet just a small amount of understanding.
And, - just for Your info, - Norwegian law is no good in Sweden or Denmark, - and remember You are negotiating with a lot of swedes and danes.
About time for You to see a good deal when it is just in front of Your nose.
B
Quote: "...or maybe have someone help you read it ..."
If this is Your highest level of discussion You will not get far, - or meet just a small amount of understanding.
And, - just for Your info, - Norwegian law is no good in Sweden or Denmark, - and remember You are negotiating with a lot of swedes and danes.
About time for You to see a good deal when it is just in front of Your nose.
B