Alitalia down to 20 days, Pilots don't rule out strike action. (merged)
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Never diverting!
Posts: 377
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
What amases me the most is in the papers this morning AZ says it needs 2 Billion more and cut 5000 jobs. Ok fair enough. But then it says 2000 jobs through early retirement. ok not nice but fair enough.
And 1700 by stopping contract staff.... Now let's recap, we are almost broke and we are over staffed but we still keep the contract staff on and only stop the contracts after reorganisation....
Any sane company would have told them politely to look elsewhere ages ago 
What is going on here
And 1700 by stopping contract staff.... Now let's recap, we are almost broke and we are over staffed but we still keep the contract staff on and only stop the contracts after reorganisation....
Any sane company would have told them politely to look elsewhere ages ago What is going on here
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: .
Posts: 82
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
if you can read italian or get a decent translation go and get first hand info on italian pilots unions websites www.anpac.it and www.unionepiloti.it you will see that (from my point of view but I'm not an "expert") they are not asking anything strange.
for example here you can find an interesting document, in brief:
As alitalia management often cite european major airlines as an example of pilots efficiency, unione piloti proposed to use the lufthansa pilot contract but with a 20% lower pay, strangely enough alitalia refused, they (the management) continue to push a pilot contract made by the same consulting firm that made the gandalf airlines recovery plan (gandalf airlines was declared bankrupt some months ago) and that requires alitalia pilots to fly to the italian FTL limits: 13 hours flight 17 duty with 2 pilots and 20 hours flight 24 duty with 3 pilots over a maximum of 6 sectors and without any limit about when the duty starts/ends. And form what I understand they don't want to aplly it only to new entrants but to the whole pillot force.
I'm not totally sure but In another forum an ex alitalia guy wrote that with the present alitalia pilot contract a pilot can't get more than 2.800 euro per month (flying an average of 70/75 hours per month) in the first 10-11 years of his/her career.
Seen from this point of view it seems they are just fighting to survive, but media always speak about pilots "privileges", may be this apply to a certain amount of old chaps under a very old contract but people who joined in the last few years may be a bit disappointed, as 2800 euro per month after 10 years don't seem to me a "privilege".
for example here you can find an interesting document, in brief:
As alitalia management often cite european major airlines as an example of pilots efficiency, unione piloti proposed to use the lufthansa pilot contract but with a 20% lower pay, strangely enough alitalia refused, they (the management) continue to push a pilot contract made by the same consulting firm that made the gandalf airlines recovery plan (gandalf airlines was declared bankrupt some months ago) and that requires alitalia pilots to fly to the italian FTL limits: 13 hours flight 17 duty with 2 pilots and 20 hours flight 24 duty with 3 pilots over a maximum of 6 sectors and without any limit about when the duty starts/ends. And form what I understand they don't want to aplly it only to new entrants but to the whole pillot force.
I'm not totally sure but In another forum an ex alitalia guy wrote that with the present alitalia pilot contract a pilot can't get more than 2.800 euro per month (flying an average of 70/75 hours per month) in the first 10-11 years of his/her career.
Seen from this point of view it seems they are just fighting to survive, but media always speak about pilots "privileges", may be this apply to a certain amount of old chaps under a very old contract but people who joined in the last few years may be a bit disappointed, as 2800 euro per month after 10 years don't seem to me a "privilege".
Last edited by epsilonmiuraised; 3rd Sep 2004 at 16:38.
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: citizen of the world
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
From what i've seen whenever there is industrial action involving pilots anybody who is not a pilot seems to look upon us as overpaid, oversexed sunglass wearing jet jockies!. We are mostly overworked, underpaid and most definately under appreciated. Lets say you are part of a medium size jet crew, you have the responsibility of many lives and a multi-million dollar company asset. The aircraft is worth more than a lot of small companies whose CEO probaly earns twice as much as your average skipper and he's probably boning the secretary too. If ,God forbid, anything goes wrong with a flight it's the pilots who are questioned first. We cannot allow bean counter management to undermine us and I say let's support Alitalia and other pilots who are willing to make a stand. When it's all said and done managment don't care about pilots and they would all be happier without us so F##K them.
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: North of Nowhere
Posts: 14
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Why is it always about the pilots??? Does it not matter that it takes a whole lotta other folks to make an airline fly? It takes flight attendants, baggage services, ticket agents, cleaners/groomers and "Most Importantly" Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers.
So get off your pre madonna attitude and think about the other folks out there!
Sorry if I missed anyone!
So get off your pre madonna attitude and think about the other folks out there!
Sorry if I missed anyone!
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Somewhere between Europe and Africa
Posts: 154
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Earth to B767jetmec:
This is a Professional PILOT Rumour Network.
Not Professional Flight Attendants Rumour Network.
Not Professional Baggage Servicemen Rumour Network.
Not Professional Ticket Agent Rumour Network.
Not Professsional cleaners/groomers Rumour Network.
And Most Importantly NOT Professional Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers Rumour Network.
What's up with the people who came to this forum and calling pilots pre madonna because we are talking about what's going on in our profession.
B767jetmec, I will not get into that drivell of calling you a wannabe and then you tell me that you're very proud to be an Engineer and then you accuse me of being an overpaid push-button and that you could do it easily if you wanted to...and on and on...
B767jetmec, if you're fed up with pilots talking about themselves, it's easy go to your own forum. Oh! I forgot, you don't have one.
You can always create one...
This is a Professional PILOT Rumour Network.
Not Professional Flight Attendants Rumour Network.
Not Professional Baggage Servicemen Rumour Network.
Not Professional Ticket Agent Rumour Network.
Not Professsional cleaners/groomers Rumour Network.
And Most Importantly NOT Professional Licenced Aircraft Maintenance Engineers Rumour Network.
What's up with the people who came to this forum and calling pilots pre madonna because we are talking about what's going on in our profession.
B767jetmec, I will not get into that drivell of calling you a wannabe and then you tell me that you're very proud to be an Engineer and then you accuse me of being an overpaid push-button and that you could do it easily if you wanted to...and on and on...
B767jetmec, if you're fed up with pilots talking about themselves, it's easy go to your own forum. Oh! I forgot, you don't have one.
You can always create one...
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Somewhere between Europe and Africa
Posts: 154
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Point taken, SNAM. Probably my words looked more arsh than my feelings.
Of course, aviation is NOt only about pilots, however this is a pilot's forum. My believe is that everyone's welcome. But acusing it of just talking about pilots...
Anyway, I'm sorry for going away from the topic. Now, let's go back on track.
Of course, aviation is NOt only about pilots, however this is a pilot's forum. My believe is that everyone's welcome. But acusing it of just talking about pilots...
Anyway, I'm sorry for going away from the topic. Now, let's go back on track.
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Alitalia is a bloated dinosaur that simply can't compete with its more nimble low-cost carriers. Further subsidization from the government will only delay the inevitable and will cost the Italian taxpayers millions of hard-earned money...
It's time to slim down to a much more profitable operating structure or to close up shop. The fact that Sabena was forced to shut down after its illustrious history and good operating record while Alitalia continues to suck taxpayer money is completely unfair. It is painfully obvious and the EU is taking notice. Subsidies allow airlines to maintain their higher fares for passengers - they promote the status quo and do not necessarily lead to changes that would benefit passengers.
No doubt other Italian airlines would fill the void when Alitalia vanishes - I am sure the Alitalia pilots will be welcomed with open arms at low-cost carriers like Volare, Ryanair and Windjet.... Air One will continue to provide good service domestically. The low-cost model must be embraced because it is spreading like a virus worldwide, and those who don't change their operating cost structure will be left in the dust because passengers are no longer willing to fund their expensive hubs and "higher" service standards (crap service compared to what you are paying).
Alitalia should receive no more aid at the taxpayers' expense - it should be forced to make the needed operational cuts or die off like the dinosaurs once did...
It's time to slim down to a much more profitable operating structure or to close up shop. The fact that Sabena was forced to shut down after its illustrious history and good operating record while Alitalia continues to suck taxpayer money is completely unfair. It is painfully obvious and the EU is taking notice. Subsidies allow airlines to maintain their higher fares for passengers - they promote the status quo and do not necessarily lead to changes that would benefit passengers.
No doubt other Italian airlines would fill the void when Alitalia vanishes - I am sure the Alitalia pilots will be welcomed with open arms at low-cost carriers like Volare, Ryanair and Windjet.... Air One will continue to provide good service domestically. The low-cost model must be embraced because it is spreading like a virus worldwide, and those who don't change their operating cost structure will be left in the dust because passengers are no longer willing to fund their expensive hubs and "higher" service standards (crap service compared to what you are paying).
Alitalia should receive no more aid at the taxpayers' expense - it should be forced to make the needed operational cuts or die off like the dinosaurs once did...
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: on my way
Posts: 1,648
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
just a couple of thoughts about the dinosaur:
2300 pilots ,more or less 150 aircraft of 9 different types (ATR,EMB 145,EMB 170,MD 80,A320,B767,B777,MD11 and B747);this alone should make you think about the business plan behinout the business plan behind such a fleet...no plan at all apart from pure obscure political reasons (Alenia through Finmeccanica makes parts of EMB aircraft as well as parts for airbus as well as boeing and is part of the ATR program).
Two hubs (rome and milan) with hundreds of crews deadheading from rome to milan daily to report for work (bare in mind that more than 70% of air traffic in Italy originates from the north of the country) so what's the logic behind such a huge base in rome?no logic at all apart from the obscure vicinity to the buildings of political power.
A few months ago agonizing AZ bought bankrupt Gandalf airlines with all its slots...how come a financially troubled company buys a bankrupt airline and all its slots when it cannot sustain its own business?mystery...they should have given those slots to an airline which would have actually revitalized those routes not let AZ buy it for a mere political and financial reason.
still i hope something positive will come out of this big mess.
2300 pilots ,more or less 150 aircraft of 9 different types (ATR,EMB 145,EMB 170,MD 80,A320,B767,B777,MD11 and B747);this alone should make you think about the business plan behinout the business plan behind such a fleet...no plan at all apart from pure obscure political reasons (Alenia through Finmeccanica makes parts of EMB aircraft as well as parts for airbus as well as boeing and is part of the ATR program).
Two hubs (rome and milan) with hundreds of crews deadheading from rome to milan daily to report for work (bare in mind that more than 70% of air traffic in Italy originates from the north of the country) so what's the logic behind such a huge base in rome?no logic at all apart from the obscure vicinity to the buildings of political power.
A few months ago agonizing AZ bought bankrupt Gandalf airlines with all its slots...how come a financially troubled company buys a bankrupt airline and all its slots when it cannot sustain its own business?mystery...they should have given those slots to an airline which would have actually revitalized those routes not let AZ buy it for a mere political and financial reason.
still i hope something positive will come out of this big mess.
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Europe
Posts: 202
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hey SNAM,
Two words: money pit
Watch more tax payer money get wasted and wasted. Darwin would be distressed by this lack of "survival of the fittest" - Alitalia is far from fit - it is bloated and hugely unprofitable. Time to make room for more efficient carriers that offer Italians value for money vs. an outdated, expensive model.
Two words: money pit
Watch more tax payer money get wasted and wasted. Darwin would be distressed by this lack of "survival of the fittest" - Alitalia is far from fit - it is bloated and hugely unprofitable. Time to make room for more efficient carriers that offer Italians value for money vs. an outdated, expensive model.
Thread Starter
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: wonderland
Posts: 133
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Alitalia Union Leaders Slam Job Cut Plans
Business/Finance News
09/07/2004 07:37:11 EST Alessandra Tarantino/AP Photo
Union Leaders Slam Alitalia Job Cut Plan
By VICTOR L. SIMPSON
Associated Press Writer
ROME - Union leaders slammed Alitalia's plans to cut 5,000 jobs as part of restructuring efforts aimed at averting collapse, but said Tuesday they will keep negotiating and urged the government to step in.
The state-run airline's plan to shed almost a quarter of its 22,000-strong labor force has angered its workers, who blame Alitalia management for the state of the airline's finances. Alitalia says it has only enough liquidity to pay salaries until the end of this month.
"By now, the workers are ready to even carry out crazy gestures, such as occupying the runways," Isla Cavallaro, head of a maintenance workers union, told the ANSA news agency.
But Italy's top union leader, Guglielmo Epifani of the CGIL, said that while Alitalia's plan "is no good" the unions will stay at the negotiating table in a bid to win concessions. He said "exaggerated forms of struggle" were not "useful" and said the government must step in and resolve the differences.
The government has made no move to do so, but ANSA quoted a government official as saying they were considering special unemployment benefits for the laid-off workers.
The airline said the layoffs would allow it to save some euro315 million (US$380 million) by 2006.
Alitalia unveiled its recovery plan during a meeting with unions Monday evening at the company's Rome headquarters. The airline was hoping to persuade reluctant labor confederations to go along with the plan.
The approval of the recovery plan is crucial to the company's survival as it would allow Alitalia to access a euro400 million (US$488 million) loan approved by the Italian government and the European Union.
Unions have opposed proposed job cuts over the past year by organizing massive strikes, including some in late April and May that grounded about 1,500 flights. However, Italian and EU officials in the past weeks have stepped up the pressure on labor confederations.
Premier Silvio Berlusconi's government has repeatedly threatened to let the airline collapse unless unions accept the cuts. In Brussels, EU Transport Commissioner Loyola de Palacio said last week that the layoffs are inevitable.
According to a company statement, about 1,570 workers would be laid off from Alitalia's flight operations, including 1,050 flight attendants and 450 pilots. Another 3,430 layoffs would come from the non-flight unit, with the majority coming from the maintenance department.
According to the statement, the plan foresees two separate companies: one for flight operations, called AZ-Fly, and another one for the ground services, called AZ-Service.
Alitalia gave no additional details on the spin-off. According to analysts, AZ-Fly will be privatized, while state-owned company Fintecna might buy into AZ-Service, which gathers less appealing ground operations.
The plan was devised by Chairman and Chief Executive Giancarlo Cimoli, who became the head of the company in May after having turned around Italy's state-run railway.
Cimoli, who did not take part in Monday's talks, has set a Sept. 15 deadline for the plan's approval.
Alitalia, which is 62 percent owned by the state, is facing one of its worst times ever.
Still reeling from the massive crisis that hit the airline industry after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, Alitalia has been struggling amid cutthroat competition from discount carriers and consolidation among established players.
The company has posted an annual profits only four times in the last 16 years. Last year it reported a net loss of euro517 million. Its debt stood at euro1.6 billion (US$2 billion) at the end of June, up euro220 million (US$265 million) since the end of 2003.
Revenues were below expectations in July and August, Cimoli said recently, adding that all of Alitalia's performance indicators had been negative in the first five months of the year.
The government has said it will relinquish control of the airline by reducing its stake to less than 50 percent. In June, it said the privatization would occur between six months and a year.
The government won EU approval of the rescue loan in July. The loan was the Italian government's only remaining way to aid Alitalia without breaching EU rules on state aid.
09/07/2004 07:37:11 EST Alessandra Tarantino/AP Photo
Union Leaders Slam Alitalia Job Cut Plan
By VICTOR L. SIMPSON
Associated Press Writer
ROME - Union leaders slammed Alitalia's plans to cut 5,000 jobs as part of restructuring efforts aimed at averting collapse, but said Tuesday they will keep negotiating and urged the government to step in.
The state-run airline's plan to shed almost a quarter of its 22,000-strong labor force has angered its workers, who blame Alitalia management for the state of the airline's finances. Alitalia says it has only enough liquidity to pay salaries until the end of this month.
"By now, the workers are ready to even carry out crazy gestures, such as occupying the runways," Isla Cavallaro, head of a maintenance workers union, told the ANSA news agency.
But Italy's top union leader, Guglielmo Epifani of the CGIL, said that while Alitalia's plan "is no good" the unions will stay at the negotiating table in a bid to win concessions. He said "exaggerated forms of struggle" were not "useful" and said the government must step in and resolve the differences.
The government has made no move to do so, but ANSA quoted a government official as saying they were considering special unemployment benefits for the laid-off workers.
The airline said the layoffs would allow it to save some euro315 million (US$380 million) by 2006.
Alitalia unveiled its recovery plan during a meeting with unions Monday evening at the company's Rome headquarters. The airline was hoping to persuade reluctant labor confederations to go along with the plan.
The approval of the recovery plan is crucial to the company's survival as it would allow Alitalia to access a euro400 million (US$488 million) loan approved by the Italian government and the European Union.
Unions have opposed proposed job cuts over the past year by organizing massive strikes, including some in late April and May that grounded about 1,500 flights. However, Italian and EU officials in the past weeks have stepped up the pressure on labor confederations.
Premier Silvio Berlusconi's government has repeatedly threatened to let the airline collapse unless unions accept the cuts. In Brussels, EU Transport Commissioner Loyola de Palacio said last week that the layoffs are inevitable.
According to a company statement, about 1,570 workers would be laid off from Alitalia's flight operations, including 1,050 flight attendants and 450 pilots. Another 3,430 layoffs would come from the non-flight unit, with the majority coming from the maintenance department.
According to the statement, the plan foresees two separate companies: one for flight operations, called AZ-Fly, and another one for the ground services, called AZ-Service.
Alitalia gave no additional details on the spin-off. According to analysts, AZ-Fly will be privatized, while state-owned company Fintecna might buy into AZ-Service, which gathers less appealing ground operations.
The plan was devised by Chairman and Chief Executive Giancarlo Cimoli, who became the head of the company in May after having turned around Italy's state-run railway.
Cimoli, who did not take part in Monday's talks, has set a Sept. 15 deadline for the plan's approval.
Alitalia, which is 62 percent owned by the state, is facing one of its worst times ever.
Still reeling from the massive crisis that hit the airline industry after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks, Alitalia has been struggling amid cutthroat competition from discount carriers and consolidation among established players.
The company has posted an annual profits only four times in the last 16 years. Last year it reported a net loss of euro517 million. Its debt stood at euro1.6 billion (US$2 billion) at the end of June, up euro220 million (US$265 million) since the end of 2003.
Revenues were below expectations in July and August, Cimoli said recently, adding that all of Alitalia's performance indicators had been negative in the first five months of the year.
The government has said it will relinquish control of the airline by reducing its stake to less than 50 percent. In June, it said the privatization would occur between six months and a year.
The government won EU approval of the rescue loan in July. The loan was the Italian government's only remaining way to aid Alitalia without breaching EU rules on state aid.
Join Date: Dec 2000
Location: the watch list
Posts: 516
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I would like to argue this “Buona Fortuna” bollox. First of all it’s not luck or fortune that’s going to save Ali. And not the “Madonna” either by the way.
Second, and this is the reply maker, let the buggers have it!
Alitalia is as Italians are, hard headed in the wrong direction. As an employee of the formally owned Alitalia charter company (hard to guess which one right?!), you see the prominent signs of someone who knows they’re doomed and by their own actions. Blaming others left and right, all but yourself. I know this makes me biased to the situation but being employed by contract I consider myself fairly objective on this.
Not to bore you with specifics about what they actually do to us (former child-company) daily, I won’t get into it now or later.
My point is that this country has a very strong unionization of labourers. Too strong. They decline every offer from the company/government trying to restructure the airline. Of course you might say, this is what unions are for, to reject any notion of sacking employees. This is true, but they have to accelerate their smelling of the coffee. They are face with a situation where the company is bleeding badly. The word is that about a fourth of the work force must be laid of to attain a situation where the company will be able to achieve “self accelerating speed”.
The fact that they still have pick-up service for both cockpit and cabin crew tells a brief but explicit story about the unions/employees commitment to save colleges’ livelihood. The fact that the company let their air crew live elsewhere than their base making the flights between Milano and Rome, for instance about 30-50% occupied by crew is another but equally real but insane story.
Who is the hero? The one who refuses to come to terms with reality and the lay-offs needed or the one who tries to perform pre-emptive damage control?
The proof of the inefficiency of Alitalia perhaps becomes even clearer when taking in the fact that Italy (not a 100% accepted JAA member BTW) provide their airlines with the most leisure duty limit regulations in this part of the world. Even including Island if I’m not mistaken. They would seem to have the perfect conditions to compete with any other airline. If Italian companies would have to conform to any future JAA/JAR/EASA common regulations to duty time limits, they would be forced into the harsh realities of British/Irish etc. airlines. Perhaps besides the point I know. I’m willing to take up any discussion about duty time regarding the current national rules versus whatever will eventually become the EU norm.
The hope of a government funded rescue plan in the long run is hardly worth betting on. All the big national carriers are watching this like hawks. With the new EU/EC rules BA or any other major airline will hardly sit still if they smell any subsidizing rat.
Though perhaps their smell and eyesight needs a check-up. One of the major reason Alitalia is still operating today is that the Italian government buys up a massive amount of empty seats on flight with lower “sold seat average”. All legal of course (or so I think), but it is only a way of circumventing the EU/EC rules of government support. This is what I mean when I say that the spectators with a special interest in this might want to get their senses checked or their lenses cleaned, whichever comes first.
I’ll let this one tear for now because I think there is more in here then the opposite-pole reader will digest without breaking out the good ol’ whip for a response.
Yours in Fear and Loathing
Knold
Let 'em rip as they say or rather, it's best I get this one under way before I get too sentimental on Johnny Cash and Italian Beer.
Second, and this is the reply maker, let the buggers have it!
Alitalia is as Italians are, hard headed in the wrong direction. As an employee of the formally owned Alitalia charter company (hard to guess which one right?!), you see the prominent signs of someone who knows they’re doomed and by their own actions. Blaming others left and right, all but yourself. I know this makes me biased to the situation but being employed by contract I consider myself fairly objective on this.
Not to bore you with specifics about what they actually do to us (former child-company) daily, I won’t get into it now or later.
My point is that this country has a very strong unionization of labourers. Too strong. They decline every offer from the company/government trying to restructure the airline. Of course you might say, this is what unions are for, to reject any notion of sacking employees. This is true, but they have to accelerate their smelling of the coffee. They are face with a situation where the company is bleeding badly. The word is that about a fourth of the work force must be laid of to attain a situation where the company will be able to achieve “self accelerating speed”.
The fact that they still have pick-up service for both cockpit and cabin crew tells a brief but explicit story about the unions/employees commitment to save colleges’ livelihood. The fact that the company let their air crew live elsewhere than their base making the flights between Milano and Rome, for instance about 30-50% occupied by crew is another but equally real but insane story.
Who is the hero? The one who refuses to come to terms with reality and the lay-offs needed or the one who tries to perform pre-emptive damage control?
The proof of the inefficiency of Alitalia perhaps becomes even clearer when taking in the fact that Italy (not a 100% accepted JAA member BTW) provide their airlines with the most leisure duty limit regulations in this part of the world. Even including Island if I’m not mistaken. They would seem to have the perfect conditions to compete with any other airline. If Italian companies would have to conform to any future JAA/JAR/EASA common regulations to duty time limits, they would be forced into the harsh realities of British/Irish etc. airlines. Perhaps besides the point I know. I’m willing to take up any discussion about duty time regarding the current national rules versus whatever will eventually become the EU norm.
The hope of a government funded rescue plan in the long run is hardly worth betting on. All the big national carriers are watching this like hawks. With the new EU/EC rules BA or any other major airline will hardly sit still if they smell any subsidizing rat.
Though perhaps their smell and eyesight needs a check-up. One of the major reason Alitalia is still operating today is that the Italian government buys up a massive amount of empty seats on flight with lower “sold seat average”. All legal of course (or so I think), but it is only a way of circumventing the EU/EC rules of government support. This is what I mean when I say that the spectators with a special interest in this might want to get their senses checked or their lenses cleaned, whichever comes first.
I’ll let this one tear for now because I think there is more in here then the opposite-pole reader will digest without breaking out the good ol’ whip for a response.
Yours in Fear and Loathing
Knold
Let 'em rip as they say or rather, it's best I get this one under way before I get too sentimental on Johnny Cash and Italian Beer.
Last edited by Knold; 8th Sep 2004 at 20:23.
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: on my way
Posts: 1,648
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
one of the things i often would like to ask ATC when an AZ aircraft is ahead of me for T/O is to let me go first because i have to be on time so that my airline can make money to feed our own employees as well as Alitalia's ones...
Join Date: May 2000
Location: US
Posts: 896
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This should help:
Alitalia Strike Schedule:
10/9/2004 - Alitalia pilots
24 hours
17/9/2004 - Alitalia employees
10.00-18.00
I live in Italy, but will no longer fly on Alitalia. Their employees are generally rude, the service is substandard, and they leave passengers stranded.
I will say that the ticket agents in Naples are very helpful and courteous.
Alitalia Strike Schedule:
10/9/2004 - Alitalia pilots
24 hours
17/9/2004 - Alitalia employees
10.00-18.00
I live in Italy, but will no longer fly on Alitalia. Their employees are generally rude, the service is substandard, and they leave passengers stranded.
I will say that the ticket agents in Naples are very helpful and courteous.