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Old 4th Aug 2004, 12:47
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Like i said, glad I wasn't on one of the aircraft. At about 01.30 this morning I had 14 aircraft all waiting for term 1 stands - and with not a lot going out, was really beginning to wonder where you were all going to go!!

Really don't think it was helped at all by stand allocation who didn't seem to want to allocate stands even when they were free (the Shuttle who went to term 2 - his stand had been free for over an hour before he was given it!)

Very frustrating for us, but I can appreciate much much worse for you.
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 13:03
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Agreed - let's hope tonight is better - I am back in at 1700 for a quick! domestic.

Most pax last night were ok, although some were a touch fractious, understandably, I believe the police were required to attend some aircraft.

I must admit that I did wonder if we would ever get a stand or end up disembarking pax onto 23! Overall everyone seemed to be resigned to the situation and deal with it with a touch of humour; it was so pathetic if you didn't laugh you would have cried.

Not been a good week at LHR what with runway closures, weather, tech problems etc. Roll on T5, at least we will have somewhere to park then!
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 13:16
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Don't know if any of you was on duty yesterday while I was operating AF 257B but thanks a bunch for having " pulled " me out of the Tiger hold. Waiting til my assigned approach time would have been " legal" but led me to premature aging )Superb job all the way !!
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 13:27
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Was the BA743 yesterday. Excellent handling by ATC in dodging CBs, and ourselves and a Midland ahead who were expressing grave doubts about the large red thing stuck between 4d and 09L. What amazed me was people going into it... Midland sounded like he really did not want to, but was assured others were getting through. Anyway, when he reported "heavy lightning ahead" he helped our 99% decision to 100% and we broke off 4-5 miles short of the weather.

A foreign operator "bravely" tried an approach after us. Re-appeared on Director sometime later sounding shaken and muttering about "severe windshear".

ATC held us in orbits to SW of LHR, and we were surprised in each orbit that this thing was not moving at all. With nobody getting in, all departures stopped, and indeterminate delays, we went to LGW which we had passed and saw was no problem... Joined by 3-4 others...

Waiting for stand and MT when we got to LHR is another story, but at least PAX (and CC) got off at LGW...

NoD
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 15:30
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I was livid when I got woken up at 1am this morning by aircraft on approach to 27R (I live in Fulham) but reading the comments on this forum has calmed me down somewhat. I guess I'll just have to shut the windows tonight if we get another storm
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 17:01
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mmmmm what a night

grass area 15 join the club i was on last night and again tonight !!

It was a struggle for us re: the night noise but we managed to get most aircraft away. I only refused the El Al the Cyprus and the Hellas so it could have been a lot worse.

was fun and games getting the aircraft on stand though parking them 2 or 3 to a stand made change for the guys.

BA didnt help themselves though afterwards with lack of towing during the night which meant the long haul arrivals for T1 were still holding for stands after 2 hours !! I would have thought BA would have made some arrangements and diverted aircraft away and coached the pax down to LHR therefore not adding to the already congested airfield and terminal.

No doubt i will be speaking to you tonight just before 23:29 local !!!!!! keep your fingers crossed
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 17:33
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Did I speak to you last night when you visited stand 145? That person mentioned to me the El Al QC8 problem and the other 2.
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 19:20
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<<I was livid when I got woken up at 1am this morning by aircraft >>

Let's all guess....... there's an airport down the road?
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Old 4th Aug 2004, 19:35
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yep Top Bunk

That was me :-)

And im here again tonight !!!
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Old 5th Aug 2004, 11:35
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Soouthern Duel.

I'm intrigued as to why only those 3 aircraft were nightstopped. I can possibly understand the El Al as its a 742 but why stop the other 2 when many others were given dispensation.
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Old 5th Aug 2004, 14:10
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we were not given a blanket dispensation for every flight. We had to fight tooth and nail to get some dispensed because the Dft were very unspympathetic and initially said no. We were only allowed to let enough go that would relieve the congestion and hardship in the terminals for those airlines that have non quota.
If the answer had been no i hate to think about the scenes in the terminals.

IT would be very difficult to let everything go under those circumstances so it was decide to extend the 23:29 Local cut off time to 23:59L. some airlines are well known for taking their time and this was a way of putting pressure on them. I think we managed to get 11 non quota aircraft away in that 30 mins so we and ATC did a grand job. The El al was simply refused because it is a QC 8 and we could not extend the cut off point for this aircraft.

A further point a couple of non quota aircraft were refused landing after 23:29.

last night the only aircraft refused was the Helios , fortunatly the 10 non quota aircraft that we had taxing after 23;00 got off otherwise last night would have been a nightmare.hope this answers the question
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Old 5th Aug 2004, 14:27
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Why did only speedbird canx (many) flights on Wednesday? Was this an excuse to improve load %?
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Old 5th Aug 2004, 14:35
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Why did only speedbird canx (many) flights on Wednesday? Was this an excuse to improve load %?
Grow up!!
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Old 5th Aug 2004, 14:56
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Lookin at my latest lightning strike chart (1550L) it's sparking up all over London again
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Old 5th Aug 2004, 15:14
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Torrential downpours in the region again, more delays at LHR.

Southampton, Midhurst, and Compton departures suspended with 50 minute delays on average.

BUZADs just gone as well

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Old 6th Aug 2004, 07:04
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Where I live, just a few miles SE of LHR, experienced the most extraordinary WX conditions yesterday afternoon around 1445Z; sudden torrential rain and extremely strong winds that brought down trees and somehow drove rainwater through closed, double-glazed windows. A quick recce this morning has revealed the area of significant damage to be quite localised, so I can only assume this was some sort of microburst.

It was bad enough to be on the ground in it - can't imagine what it was like to be airborne!

I haven't seen the stats but I can't help feeling that the Heathrow area has just had two "50 year" storms in the same week...
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Old 6th Aug 2004, 07:29
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Help with storm research

Quick request for information on behalf of TORRO, the Tornado and Storm Research Organisation (of which I am a member of a team who observe and report on thunderstorms). The recent storms over LHR are interesting, and the observations of professionals in the industry will carry a lot of weight. If you observed the storms and have a few minutes, please fill out the questionnaire on the following link:

http://www.torro.org.uk/appeal.htm
http://www.torro.org.uk/quethtxt.htm

You will apreciate that any details may be the piece in the puzzle of increased understanding of thunderstorms. Many thanks.
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Old 6th Aug 2004, 10:43
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Due to lack of parking space at LHR on the morning after the storm, a BA 747 from South Africa had to land at LGW instead of LHR.
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Old 6th Aug 2004, 16:10
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Same sort of area, saw rain yesterday pouring through the seals of a window on a train, not to mention lightning of an intensity I last saw in northern Australia.
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Old 6th Aug 2004, 17:53
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also experienced those conditions close to LHR. At the time expressed surprise to see take off activity.

Was asked by moderator what experience I had to express such opinions. Subsequently deleted post.

Comment was made out of curiosity. In eight years operating out of LHR, never experienced weather like that. Would be interested to know at what point operations are suspended
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