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Guv, a few questions for you:-
1) Is it your contention that pilots are being "less productive" when flying with the autopilot engaged?
2) Do you feel that for the duration of a Cat II/III approach that the pilots should cease logging their flying time?
3) Do you consider that the skills of handflying are superior to the skills of using the automatics?
4) If any of the above are the case, do you feel that pilots when flying with autopilot engaged are earning their salary less than when hand flying?
5) How many hours have you logged "systems monitoring" whilst flying coupled approaches down to minima and appreciating the ability, training and expertise it takes, and the subsequent fatigue?
Please stop winding people up. I accept that some of your comments on Page 1 of this thread may have been intended "tongue in cheek". I am sure that, even with your jaundiced view of pilots' worth, you will appreciate that this is not the way they were taken by the vast majority. It is therefore incumbent on you to apologise.
1) Is it your contention that pilots are being "less productive" when flying with the autopilot engaged?
2) Do you feel that for the duration of a Cat II/III approach that the pilots should cease logging their flying time?
3) Do you consider that the skills of handflying are superior to the skills of using the automatics?
4) If any of the above are the case, do you feel that pilots when flying with autopilot engaged are earning their salary less than when hand flying?
5) How many hours have you logged "systems monitoring" whilst flying coupled approaches down to minima and appreciating the ability, training and expertise it takes, and the subsequent fatigue?
Please stop winding people up. I accept that some of your comments on Page 1 of this thread may have been intended "tongue in cheek". I am sure that, even with your jaundiced view of pilots' worth, you will appreciate that this is not the way they were taken by the vast majority. It is therefore incumbent on you to apologise.
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I've tried to ignore the 'Guv' and failed at times (as here) because it is so hard to resist. The poor chap thrives on our input.
Why don't we all make a mental note to ignore any post from this poor chap and then move on (hopefully) with intelligent input to any said thread.
Guvnor I hereby dismiss you from my thoughts.
By the time the Guv gets ops up from PIK most 1011's will be very warm, they will be in the smelt for new A320's.
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Exeng
Why don't we all make a mental note to ignore any post from this poor chap and then move on (hopefully) with intelligent input to any said thread.
Guvnor I hereby dismiss you from my thoughts.
By the time the Guv gets ops up from PIK most 1011's will be very warm, they will be in the smelt for new A320's.
Regards
Exeng
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we better close this one.we all know what happens when guv get's corned; threatening danny with a lawsuit,etc,etc.
but before we do, dear old guv, let's find out how much time you had hands on in your +4000 hrs on DC-8 and 707.pls give me some tail numbers you flew, to see how real you are, judging from all the rest of your crap i doubt you even ever had a jumpseat on any of these planes.
idiot!
but before we do, dear old guv, let's find out how much time you had hands on in your +4000 hrs on DC-8 and 707.pls give me some tail numbers you flew, to see how real you are, judging from all the rest of your crap i doubt you even ever had a jumpseat on any of these planes.
idiot!
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While I am largely in agreement with most of the most recent posts above, I think I am most with our colleague 'exeng' in that it is clearly best if we in the future "ignore any post from this poor chap".
exeng
I would only add that it seems more likely that the said 1011s would be in the smelt for the Boeing Sonic Cruiser, don't you think?
I too hereby dismiss The Guvnor from my thoughts. Sad chap.
exeng
I would only add that it seems more likely that the said 1011s would be in the smelt for the Boeing Sonic Cruiser, don't you think?
I too hereby dismiss The Guvnor from my thoughts. Sad chap.
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Aaron B Strynge - answers to your questions as follows:
1) No of course not - but refer back to the original post and my reply. Also take this in context with a recent thread where I said that today's pilots are systems monitors - hotly denied by some.
2) Nope.
3) Nope.
4) Not at all... I refer you to answer 1.
Blowawayjet - well, we can kick off with DC8-55 5N-AUS for starters...
1) No of course not - but refer back to the original post and my reply. Also take this in context with a recent thread where I said that today's pilots are systems monitors - hotly denied by some.
2) Nope.
3) Nope.
4) Not at all... I refer you to answer 1.
Blowawayjet - well, we can kick off with DC8-55 5N-AUS for starters...
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I too have some doubts about guvnor. Having had some involvement with the setting up of two airlines - both successful and still with us - I can only too well recall the commitment involved, it being of the 24 hours a day, seven days a week sort. Certainly, nobody would have had the luxury of time to post interminable waffle on the internet.
To use your own risible response line, guvnor "...what part of Walter Mitty don't you understand?"
To use your own risible response line, guvnor "...what part of Walter Mitty don't you understand?"
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Govnor, I see you're doing as well here as you did on the Cabin Crew forum.
Whats the matter, don't you want to play with me any more? Didn't you think we pilots read the CC forum?
Never mind. I was getting bored with kicking your butt anyway
Sorry to get off topic guy's, but Guvnor runs when he loses. (Evidently not far enough)
Case closed.
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[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: max_cont ]
Whats the matter, don't you want to play with me any more? Didn't you think we pilots read the CC forum?
Never mind. I was getting bored with kicking your butt anyway
Sorry to get off topic guy's, but Guvnor runs when he loses. (Evidently not far enough)
Case closed.
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[ 27 July 2001: Message edited by: max_cont ]
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I have just wasted 15 minutes of my life reading this dribble from start to finish. I cannot even remember what the original posting was!! The sun is shining, what am doing at this stupid computer? I'm off to the pub....where some of you need to be....getting a life.
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i will mention the G-subject just one more time.
if we all agreed to simply ignore the guv's replies and kept to it, it would make more sense, than all this name calling.
might be the best thing to do.
personally i do find his responses interesting to read at times, and in the long run may be educational and necessary in understanding the other side of the coin. but some others of you do confuse me at your calling him names all the time and yet still giving him the honor of continually replying to his statements.
if i personally felt that way about anyone or his statement, i would not waste my time responding to him in that manner over and over and over again.
just my viewpoint.
my mother taught me, if i can't say anything good, don't say anything at all. sometimes i do that, sometimes i don't.
but to keep harping on the Guv is a waste of your time and ours.
disagreeing is something else.
and calling names like that is childish.
enough said about that.
if we all agreed to simply ignore the guv's replies and kept to it, it would make more sense, than all this name calling.
might be the best thing to do.
personally i do find his responses interesting to read at times, and in the long run may be educational and necessary in understanding the other side of the coin. but some others of you do confuse me at your calling him names all the time and yet still giving him the honor of continually replying to his statements.
if i personally felt that way about anyone or his statement, i would not waste my time responding to him in that manner over and over and over again.
just my viewpoint.
my mother taught me, if i can't say anything good, don't say anything at all. sometimes i do that, sometimes i don't.
but to keep harping on the Guv is a waste of your time and ours.
disagreeing is something else.
and calling names like that is childish.
enough said about that.
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Quite agreed, but ...
Just answer us about your flight experience Guvnor. How much of your much vaunted "over 4000 hours in command of 4 engine jets" was actual hands-on?
And I'm not asking here as to where you got your PPL, or your CPL, or how you build up your hours, or your ALTP, or your B707 type rating, or your DC8 type rating, or your ...
Just answer us about your flight experience Guvnor. How much of your much vaunted "over 4000 hours in command of 4 engine jets" was actual hands-on?
And I'm not asking here as to where you got your PPL, or your CPL, or how you build up your hours, or your ALTP, or your B707 type rating, or your DC8 type rating, or your ...
