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You are not allowed to disagree with BJ. He is a policeman and therefore always right. Of course police officers are renowned for their brains.
Now just be quiet and do as your told.
You are not allowed to disagree with BJ. He is a policeman and therefore always right. Of course police officers are renowned for their brains.
Now just be quiet and do as your told.
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Not that I support Joyce's smug view from a bygone era, but he has not claimed to have flown only 6000 hrs in 30 years,
6000PIC is a reference to the prooner of that handle.
For reference, I'm an average Loco mate, and flew 875 last year.
Joyce is obviously one of those few individuals who can sleep on demand, at any time of the day. Most of us can't. After four concecutive earlies, three nights in a windswept noisy hotel, I came home last nigh unable to remember my previous day's FO's name. I was fatigued.
To get back to the point, I also had an almost tee-total time in said hotel in fear of a limit so low, I can't judge it.
6000PIC is a reference to the prooner of that handle.
For reference, I'm an average Loco mate, and flew 875 last year.
Joyce is obviously one of those few individuals who can sleep on demand, at any time of the day. Most of us can't. After four concecutive earlies, three nights in a windswept noisy hotel, I came home last nigh unable to remember my previous day's FO's name. I was fatigued.
To get back to the point, I also had an almost tee-total time in said hotel in fear of a limit so low, I can't judge it.
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Arkroyal -apologies if I sounded smug - not intended. Yes, I could often steal ten minutes here or there but always with the agreement of the F/O (and a hostie briefed as back-up).
I found Temazepam a great help for getting to sleep between night flights. With the doc's agreement of course and it's not addictive.
I found Temazepam a great help for getting to sleep between night flights. With the doc's agreement of course and it's not addictive.
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So you can take as much temazapam as you want but not half a pint of beer. This I think is absolutely ridiculous. Just like pro plus, perfectly legal but too many cause side effects. I would rather fly with a pilot who has had half a pint before flying than one who has had too many pro plus or tamazapam.
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quite, 119.
There is no way on earth I'd drug myself to sleep, as I'm worried that the side effects might be detrimental to my health, let alone performance as a pilot.
I can be drugged, knackered and fly, but will be locked up if perfectly capable but in excess of an arbitrary limit of alcohol.
's a funny old world, innit?
There is no way on earth I'd drug myself to sleep, as I'm worried that the side effects might be detrimental to my health, let alone performance as a pilot.
I can be drugged, knackered and fly, but will be locked up if perfectly capable but in excess of an arbitrary limit of alcohol.
's a funny old world, innit?
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Oh my, Arkroyal, is'nt ignorance and exaggeration bliss!
Temazepam, just 10mg, has an effective life of six hours and can give you a good night's (day's) sleep out of routine hours so that you are refreshed for the second flight. After 12 hours it's all out of the bloodstream even if your half pint ain't! Surely that's better than flogging around "fatigued" and all shot to pieces as you guys claim to be? Sounds like I'd rather be flying with someone on my regime than yours!
(and I can claim 30 years with no accidents or incidents...)
Temazepam, just 10mg, has an effective life of six hours and can give you a good night's (day's) sleep out of routine hours so that you are refreshed for the second flight. After 12 hours it's all out of the bloodstream even if your half pint ain't! Surely that's better than flogging around "fatigued" and all shot to pieces as you guys claim to be? Sounds like I'd rather be flying with someone on my regime than yours!
(and I can claim 30 years with no accidents or incidents...)
Just a numbered other
Let's not get personal eh?
Please point out any ignorant or exaggerated points in my post.
I simply choose not to take drugs for sleep. my choice.
Please point out any ignorant or exaggerated points in my post.
I simply choose not to take drugs for sleep. my choice.
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Not Quite So, dear Joyce
First off, temezepam in low doses is a pretty useful agent to aid sleep induction. However.....
In common with all benzodiazepine compounds, it is addictive. However, for people who use it infrequently, no such problem exists. Secondly, and contrary to most GP's opinion, the compound has a number of active metabolites, some of which have half-lives of over 72 hours. In simpler terms, no different from beer, in terms of wash-out from the system.
Having pontificated, temazepam used to be used by the Apollo astronauts to aid sleep patterns. Pretty sound endorsement that.
In common with all benzodiazepine compounds, it is addictive. However, for people who use it infrequently, no such problem exists. Secondly, and contrary to most GP's opinion, the compound has a number of active metabolites, some of which have half-lives of over 72 hours. In simpler terms, no different from beer, in terms of wash-out from the system.
Having pontificated, temazepam used to be used by the Apollo astronauts to aid sleep patterns. Pretty sound endorsement that.
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...and by Harrier pilots in the Falklands....
Ark-- "side effects" - none advertised for correct doses and usage = ignorance
"drugged, knackered and fly" = exaggeration, or at least distortion. The purpose of the mild relaxant, Temazepam, is to aid sleep and prevent being knackered.
(and why can't someone called "smug" by you get personal?!)
Ark-- "side effects" - none advertised for correct doses and usage = ignorance
"drugged, knackered and fly" = exaggeration, or at least distortion. The purpose of the mild relaxant, Temazepam, is to aid sleep and prevent being knackered.
(and why can't someone called "smug" by you get personal?!)
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