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Unpaid STBYS for RYANAIR Contractors

Old 17th Jun 2004, 09:03
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Unpaid STBYS for RYANAIR Contractors

as a contract pilot for ryanair, one is paid ONLY when he works.
but now ryanair is forcing their contract pilots to do 4 standbys every month for free.
that is 50 days a year of free work!
and the pilots who do not live at a base, that means beeing away from home and even pay for hotels and meals.

i think according europeaen law it is illegal to have people on standby and not pay them.

the roster pattern changes like this from 5 on, 5 off, to 5 on, 3 off..

is it like this still worth to apply to work for them?
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 09:25
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Get some hours and then get the out!!! There is much better places to work than Ryanair!!

Good luck,

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Old 17th Jun 2004, 11:02
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Devil

We were all contemplating leaving and now are all looking to jump!

Another ****ty thing is that they are "giving" contractors a base and even if that is not your choice or home they deduct your Hotac allowance...

Was a good place to work, currently agood place to train and a very good place to leave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 12:25
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MOL strikes again.

Sounds like hell could be a better place to work. Another cheap labour scam about to unfold. Just wait for the influx of former Eastern European cabin crew to arrive. No disrespect to anyone, but I'd say most of their cabin crew don't speak much English. Safety implication

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Old 17th Jun 2004, 12:28
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I don't get it!

Why would anyone work for an organization that lives just to suck the enthusiasm, committment, zeal and general good nature from those who so readily give and keep on giving.

Is it to allow a despotic, arrogant, bullying autocrat the opportunity to basically be himself on a day to day basis. In the end who is the winner here? ( Rhetorical Question)

The consumer through 'lower fairs' and 'lower fairs' and 'lower fairs' and' lower fairs' and 'lower fairs'.

The mantra almost sounds like they are talking about the price of tickets.

Don't wear the rose tinted glasses when you go for a job there.
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 12:37
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Perhaps someone could enlighten me. Standing by = being available to be called into work at short notice ?

Of you are called in are you paid ?
 
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A standby is an insurance policy for the airline. I don't know of any insurance company giving away free insurance. To the beneficiary it has value, therefore the Gypo should pay up. I'd go for union recognition and ask your negotiators to cut a better deal with MOL.
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 14:28
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To answer your question :- "are you paid if you are called in?"

Yes you are, however that is not the point. On a contract for Ryanair you are paid per block hour you work and that is it, nothing else, nada, zilch.

If you are sick, on holiday or not used on your standby then no money.

More to the point, the place you have to be to do your standby is very unlikely to be anywhere near where you live (probably another country) therefore you are incurring hotac costs etc, for no return.

It's very harsh but then again nothing is hidden when you sign up and the pay is not low.

Most people seem to have the idea that you do the six months/1 year for the rating & the hours & then bu**** off; or if you are offered it, join mainline Ryanair where it is much more stable?

Hope this clarifies
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 17:35
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Can you fill in the balance of the information....like what you're hourly rate is, and how many you do per month/roster.....just so that we can put things in perspective.

TSK
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 18:32
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the answer would appear simple...don't work for them. O'leary positively enjoys being a tw*t. He makes no bones about it.
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 18:40
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Are you a member of a union?

Time Ryanair Pilots/Employees stood up to O'leary and his merry men.
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 20:00
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There is a simple answer ain't there chaps.. instead of whining vote with your feet

I for one will be more than happy to take your place, as would many many others
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 20:07
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Excellent, i'll swop you, your job in Canada for mine in Europe!
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 20:27
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flash8 I'm sure CAPTAINNIC appreciates your support! It's not enough that we have to pay for interviews / sim rides / type ratings etc, now you think it's ok that we work for nothing too? Instructors have been shafted like this for years because people are willing to work for nothing. Ryanair seem to want to do the same to pilots, and why not? They are out to make money not give us nice jobs, and if there are enough people like Flash8 who put up with this s t then they will get away with it.
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 20:29
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Nice guy Flash8 - bet you sleep well at night!
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 20:49
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Just a ( probably rhetorical) question: you imply no holiday, no money - isn't that illegal under EU law? ...
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 20:53
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MOL's little scams will no doubt backfire in due course when everyone decides they've had enough. Paying good salaries does not substitute a quality life.
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 21:22
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bacardi walla - I'd like to think you're right, but I'm not sure. Seen what an instructor earns these days?
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Old 17th Jun 2004, 21:27
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...so; experienced and conscientious Ryanair pilot finally has had enough of being abused, and leaves....

MOL goes bottom fishing and finds flash8, who gleefully snaps up the empty seat...

would you feel safe on flash8's flight?
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Old 18th Jun 2004, 11:02
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Well i see that this thread has turned into yet again a discussion about pilots that will work for nothing and pilots that would like to make a living and a career out of being a pilot.

For the guys out there that will work for nothing i can only imagine that you do not have a wife or children that need to be looked after and provided for.

Back to the problem of Ryanair............. were to start

I personally think that if we don't stand up to MOL as a pilot body and get some representation then we only have ourselves to blame.

How much further are we willing to let this one man push down this industry.
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