bmi ballot (Pilots reject pay offer)
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Count - I agree - it is a complete insult, and not just to the pilots - 1.5% is a decrease - but at least it is better than nothing.
The rest of your colleagues at Toad Hall (i.e. non operational) have also had a pay rise this year.... 1.5% or £300, which ever was the greater... and because we're not unionised, we have had to accept it.... no discussions.
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The rest of your colleagues at Toad Hall (i.e. non operational) have also had a pay rise this year.... 1.5% or £300, which ever was the greater... and because we're not unionised, we have had to accept it.... no discussions.
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(Just for the sake of evenhandedness, it is worth pointing out that bmi pilots, like most others, also get an annual increment, which might take the overall increase for the year to close to RPI)
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(Just for the sake of evenhandedness, it is worth pointing out that bmi pilots, like most others, also get an annual increment, which might take the overall increase for the year to close to RPI)
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Just for the sake of evenhandedness, it is worth pointing out that bmi pilots, like most others, also get an annual increment, which might take the overall increase for the year to close to RPI
Good try though
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Maybe if management got their heads out of their a***s they would see how unhappy the majority of the workforce are. If we were treated to proper pay rises, at least in line with inflation, then people may feel a little more respected and valued and not look for pastures new. This would have the effect of cutting down on training costs (and keeping a much higher experience level) which would help fund the pay rises! Maybe the company just like an inexperienced workforce though because it only then has to pay a low incremental salary. What price safety? Difficult to cost all this, if not impossible, but I'm sure it'd help!
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Well, I know what you are saying. On the other hand .....
.... in many jobs, you don't get an "increment" for doing the same job for longer - it might be in the contract, but that doesn't mean that it isn't an increase in pay ....
.... the proportion of pilots who don't get a pay rise because of seniority (bear in mind that 13 years isn't 13 years in the company, but 13 years command time - i.e. normally at least 16 years in the company) is not large - 10% at most? Surely the thinking ought to be to extend the scale, rather than saying it invalidates the concept for the other 90% of pilots ....
.... there are things I'd much rather have from my employer than an extra £1.50 a day. Oddly enough, they'd be in the employer's interest as well ....
.... in many jobs, you don't get an "increment" for doing the same job for longer - it might be in the contract, but that doesn't mean that it isn't an increase in pay ....
.... the proportion of pilots who don't get a pay rise because of seniority (bear in mind that 13 years isn't 13 years in the company, but 13 years command time - i.e. normally at least 16 years in the company) is not large - 10% at most? Surely the thinking ought to be to extend the scale, rather than saying it invalidates the concept for the other 90% of pilots ....
.... there are things I'd much rather have from my employer than an extra £1.50 a day. Oddly enough, they'd be in the employer's interest as well ....
You could look at it this way, at least you are getting a rise!
1.5% or £300 whichever is the greater. To some of the pilots the 1.5% will be probably be more than quadruple the amount that some of the Donny Hall crew will get, and still you bleat. If you are that disgruntled - leave!!!!!!!!.
The mass exodus that featured on this forum some weeks ago doesn't seemed to have happened. There seem to be many who are brave in word but not in action.
I agree that the management don't seem to know or care how the workforce feel and until something happens to let them know nothing will happen. Who amongst you is prepared to put their words in action.
1.5% or £300 whichever is the greater. To some of the pilots the 1.5% will be probably be more than quadruple the amount that some of the Donny Hall crew will get, and still you bleat. If you are that disgruntled - leave!!!!!!!!.
The mass exodus that featured on this forum some weeks ago doesn't seemed to have happened. There seem to be many who are brave in word but not in action.
I agree that the management don't seem to know or care how the workforce feel and until something happens to let them know nothing will happen. Who amongst you is prepared to put their words in action.
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Who amongst you is prepared to put their words in action
What is happening now is the culmination of years of unbelievable indifference of senior management in the company towards its workforce. I would prefer it if we didn't bother with the pay ballot, lets just have a strike ballot.
I have worked for places where some of the workforce couldn't give a toss about the company and what happened to it. But when push comes to shove they haven't had the bottle to make that step to risk losing their jobs, and I think this will be no different. These people always have plenty to say to anyone who will listen but when it comes down to it will do nothing to jeopardise their jobs and careers.
I do think it is time that the management took their heads out of the sand and realised what is going on. They are sitting comfortably at the top of their trees and seem to be far removed from the grass roots of the company and they won't see it coming until maybe its too late, and that goes for pilot management too.
I do think it is time that the management took their heads out of the sand and realised what is going on. They are sitting comfortably at the top of their trees and seem to be far removed from the grass roots of the company and they won't see it coming until maybe its too late, and that goes for pilot management too.
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With all respect, Pilots cannot be compared to other departments, they should be compared to other Airlines, as per the original agreement which the management backed out of.
I have seen a continuing descent of terms and payment conditions within a fairly short space of time.
I didn’t spend up to £60k to watch a job that I enjoy, progressively deteriorate to such a degree resulting in working harder for less money never mind the respect.
At the end of the day inflation is running at an average of 2.8%,take that over 2 years and in actual fact a pay loss of 3.1% has occurred , increments are not included as they are mere loyalty bonuses however if you want them involved then they haven’t changed in quite a few years so I think they will need a fairly hefty rise!
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I have seen a continuing descent of terms and payment conditions within a fairly short space of time.
I didn’t spend up to £60k to watch a job that I enjoy, progressively deteriorate to such a degree resulting in working harder for less money never mind the respect.
At the end of the day inflation is running at an average of 2.8%,take that over 2 years and in actual fact a pay loss of 3.1% has occurred , increments are not included as they are mere loyalty bonuses however if you want them involved then they haven’t changed in quite a few years so I think they will need a fairly hefty rise!
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Well said KIL! Young Paul you are obviously a management wannabe or actually already doing it. Don't underestimate the level of discontent in bmi at the moment. Things are picking up with the exception of the price of fuel and the pilots are getting ready for a fight. Roll out the ballot! I would be very worried if I was pilot management at the moment as Mr Bish will not be impressed when we start throwing our toys out of the cot!
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I am neither a management wanabee nor a manager, I can assure you. I just want the airline to keep existing for the sake of the other employees - a strike is a very good way of avoiding that outcome. It's just that I really don't care that much about another few pounds, when there are such huge other issues that don't seem to be on the agenda.