bmi ballot (Pilots reject pay offer)
I don't think anyones being greedy, virtually none of the union groups at bmi mainline and baby have accepted the offer nor are they likely too. 1.5% represents a cut in real terms and there was no rise at all last year, someone is being greedy but it's not the employees.
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So the negotiations go on a while longer, in the meantime they don't get their payrise yet.
You are going to have to eat your words and much sooner than you think.
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HAVE HAD to accept the 1.5% pay offer.
The only one who have had the pay increase are the managers. Everybody else is has to wait for the unions, even those staff that are not in the union still have to wait for the GMB to agree.
So wat is it that you all want? More pay, better working conditions?
If that's the case go somewhere else if you're not happy.
Where's the mass exodus?
Who has left? Not applied for another post, or even been for an interview, but actually left?
And retirement doesn't count!
So wat is it that you all want? More pay, better working conditions?
If that's the case go somewhere else if you're not happy.
Where's the mass exodus?
Who has left? Not applied for another post, or even been for an interview, but actually left?
And retirement doesn't count!
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Keyboard,
What you don't seem to understand is that most bmi pilots enjoy the work they do, like and respect the people they work with and don't necessarily want to go and work somewhere else. What they don't enjoy is being s****ed around by management who think they can employ professional aircrew for slave wages.
What you don't seem to understand is that most bmi pilots enjoy the work they do, like and respect the people they work with and don't necessarily want to go and work somewhere else. What they don't enjoy is being s****ed around by management who think they can employ professional aircrew for slave wages.
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Keyboard Flier,
You miss the point. This is not about a 1.5% pay rise which let's face it is hardly worth argiung about. This is about an improvement to T&Cs and the right to have some sort of life outside of the cockpit. Why should any of us have to go and look for another job simply because of the company's conscious decision to administer a totally awful rostering policy to the troops. Surely it's better to try and change the system from within - unfortunately formal industrial action is the only language that those with the power seem to understand. I predict a period of some rather unsettled weather ahead.
You miss the point. This is not about a 1.5% pay rise which let's face it is hardly worth argiung about. This is about an improvement to T&Cs and the right to have some sort of life outside of the cockpit. Why should any of us have to go and look for another job simply because of the company's conscious decision to administer a totally awful rostering policy to the troops. Surely it's better to try and change the system from within - unfortunately formal industrial action is the only language that those with the power seem to understand. I predict a period of some rather unsettled weather ahead.
Chalky.
The pilots aren't the only ones that are being "s****ed around by the management", most of the workforce are. It's just that the pilots attitude is that they are the most hard done to group in the company.
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Yes it is better to change the system from within, but industrial action will just pi55 the management off even more and at the end of the day you will get probably nowhere apart from getting even more 5hit from the company.
You need to get into a position where you can change the system from within. However your biggest problem will be having to get by the pilot management, some of which got their posts by hard work and some got it by brown nosing.
The choice is yours, but don't go cutting off your nose to spite your face.
The pilots aren't the only ones that are being "s****ed around by the management", most of the workforce are. It's just that the pilots attitude is that they are the most hard done to group in the company.
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Yes it is better to change the system from within, but industrial action will just pi55 the management off even more and at the end of the day you will get probably nowhere apart from getting even more 5hit from the company.
You need to get into a position where you can change the system from within. However your biggest problem will be having to get by the pilot management, some of which got their posts by hard work and some got it by brown nosing.
The choice is yours, but don't go cutting off your nose to spite your face.
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Regional, having rejected the `pay offer` in a secret ballot conducted by the company are now to conduct a telephone ballot of the same employees, in order to get a more democratic outcome! how does that work then.
This will be done next Thursday and Friday from the Aberdeen office.
It will still be secret though and management will not know who voted yes & who voted No............honest
time the crew council got it s**t together and stopped acting like lackies, in fact it time they packed in all together and hand the job over to BALPA still that the next vote that regional pilots face in a couple of weeks, we are voting more often than the Italians at the minute, that democracy for you
This will be done next Thursday and Friday from the Aberdeen office.
It will still be secret though and management will not know who voted yes & who voted No............honest
time the crew council got it s**t together and stopped acting like lackies, in fact it time they packed in all together and hand the job over to BALPA still that the next vote that regional pilots face in a couple of weeks, we are voting more often than the Italians at the minute, that democracy for you
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How will they have a secret phone vote?
Who's going to conduct it? an independant, or are the management going to do it. Could be fun!!!!!
I have heard from a very good source that the new allowances system regional have got is not altogether popular. would anyone care to shed any light?
How will they have a secret phone vote?
Who's going to conduct it? an independant, or are the management going to do it. Could be fun!!!!!
I have heard from a very good source that the new allowances system regional have got is not altogether popular. would anyone care to shed any light?
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Who has left? Not applied for another post, or even been for an interview, but actually left?
Too young to retire at 35, but looking forward to pastures new...
There are 7 other 330 drivers in the Virgin pool, plus a few (5-6) shorthaul drivers. Add those to the successful BA applicants, and various others who have recently gone to Easy, plus a few working their notice going to various other airlines (Cathay etc), and I reckon about 30 pilots in total leaving.
Not a mass exodus by any means, but a significant amount given that the rate of leavers over the last 6 years has been very low?
Fuzzy,
What's your beef? Are you a pilot that is unhappy with his lot, you know the solution to that.
I am entitled to my opinion on what I see is happening and on what people say will be happening. It is my right.
There are many who have left who have come back obviously discovering the grass insn't greener. Even some of those that were laid off are back. Now would that point to the company not actually being a bad place to work?
What's your beef? Are you a pilot that is unhappy with his lot, you know the solution to that.
I am entitled to my opinion on what I see is happening and on what people say will be happening. It is my right.
There are many who have left who have come back obviously discovering the grass insn't greener. Even some of those that were laid off are back. Now would that point to the company not actually being a bad place to work?
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I never said you were not entitled to your opinion KF so keep your hair on. Its just that every opinion of yours is the same one and you have expressed it a number of times, so as I said, Your record is getting rather worn! Give it a rest for a while !
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Dear All at bmi,
I personally believe that you should be brought into line with BA in terms of Pay & Conditions. After all, the glorious CEO, AR is paid the same as Rod Eddington, £540,000 p.a. What is good for the goose is good for the gander?? Or maybe AR can set an example and bring himself into line with bmi and "Award" himself a 20% pay cut. (Perhaps not when the pension needs that extra top up)
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I personally believe that you should be brought into line with BA in terms of Pay & Conditions. After all, the glorious CEO, AR is paid the same as Rod Eddington, £540,000 p.a. What is good for the goose is good for the gander?? Or maybe AR can set an example and bring himself into line with bmi and "Award" himself a 20% pay cut. (Perhaps not when the pension needs that extra top up)
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Fuzzy,
If you read back you will see that not all are the same and they are in reponse to the common theme running through this thread of the disgruntlement of the flying staff. It's just that some moan and groan about going but do nothing about it.
Having a whinge about the company you work for seems to be a national pastime, who doesn't do it, if you have an employee have is perfectly happy with every aspect of their employment, they should be cloned and could be sold for a great deal.
And as for keeping my hair on....... are you prepared to lend me some as I'm as bald as a badgers chuff.
If you read back you will see that not all are the same and they are in reponse to the common theme running through this thread of the disgruntlement of the flying staff. It's just that some moan and groan about going but do nothing about it.
Having a whinge about the company you work for seems to be a national pastime, who doesn't do it, if you have an employee have is perfectly happy with every aspect of their employment, they should be cloned and could be sold for a great deal.
And as for keeping my hair on....... are you prepared to lend me some as I'm as bald as a badgers chuff.
