bmi ballot (Pilots reject pay offer)
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we'll support the pilots
An input from the engineers. I've read this post with great interest and I now know that everyone employed by bmi are totally pissed off with the managements offer of a so called pay rise. We stuck with them through the 911 crises (which i believe to be an excuse for all airlines not to give a decent rise) and now they can't use that excuse, I find it hard to believe that they are still only in a position to offer 1.5%. The engineers at all stations are really backing themselves because we're just as disgruntled with what's been offered. We don't need to strike at all. We'll just refuse to use the orange boxes they provide to reach the tops of engines etc and the out of date equipment that is the only equipment available to us. In other words, a bit of a work to rule. Believe me, if we only withdrew a slight bit of our (only too much) flexibility, you guys wouldn't have anything to fly. It really is that bad. It's a damn shame because I enjoy the working environment and the guys I work with. By the way, have you heard that there are 2 330's with bmi fins on the production line at Tolouse. You won't hear anything official till eveyone has settled.
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there are 2 330's with bmi fins on the production line at Tolouse
a load of pilots leaving for BA/Virgin, who's going to fly them?
A lot of people have said that they want a decent salary and if that is all they are being offered they'll leave. Saying they'll leave is one thing, doing it a completely different I don't think that many will do. Beside for some being miserable about their job keeps them happy.
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FACT - Ba have been flooded with applications from Airbus
rated BMI pilots. Some have passed selection, some have not. First contracts to be offered early July.
People ARE going to leave. !!!
rated BMI pilots. Some have passed selection, some have not. First contracts to be offered early July.
People ARE going to leave. !!!
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Hi Guys and Gals
i don't log on here very often and have just registered. I think the regional ballot is counted tomorrow and we have been told that whether it is yeah woopi we like our pay rise or neah can't you do better than that we are going to get the rise implemented in July. I guess our management could go work for Britannia and feel at home. I voted against as i'm sure did most of my colleagues mainly to show some solidarity with our mainline brothers who are pushing hard for a more realistic deal. Now our management have said that if mainline get more than 1.5% then they give us the hire figure, I only wish that all the departments within the bmi group are trated the same.
i don't log on here very often and have just registered. I think the regional ballot is counted tomorrow and we have been told that whether it is yeah woopi we like our pay rise or neah can't you do better than that we are going to get the rise implemented in July. I guess our management could go work for Britannia and feel at home. I voted against as i'm sure did most of my colleagues mainly to show some solidarity with our mainline brothers who are pushing hard for a more realistic deal. Now our management have said that if mainline get more than 1.5% then they give us the hire figure, I only wish that all the departments within the bmi group are trated the same.
Some will leave, it happens in a company of this size, there is always a turnover of staff, to go elsewhere. And some may go to BA or Virgin, but it is implied that lots will go. No way, there will be no mass exodus from bmi, it has been rumoured before and it didn't happen, because there are many who are stick in the mud employees, plodding along in their job. And that goes for all department including pilots.
If the aforementioned pilots do leave the fold, who's going to fly the new planes.
http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/orde...deliveries.xls[/URL]
This says that Airbus have delivered one A330 and another is on order.
Come on management is there something you're not telling us.
http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/orde...deliveries.xls[/URL]
This says that Airbus have delivered one A330 and another is on order.
Come on management is there something you're not telling us.
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For what its worth regional pilots have voted against the pay deal so we will see where taht takes us.
As far as a mass exodus from mainline, you will find that those on a final salary pension which is probably still a majourity of crew certainly anyone who has been there more than five years, will stay those on the money purchase scheme have nothing much to lose. The only question is how many will the other companies take.
As far as a mass exodus from mainline, you will find that those on a final salary pension which is probably still a majourity of crew certainly anyone who has been there more than five years, will stay those on the money purchase scheme have nothing much to lose. The only question is how many will the other companies take.
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Mr Keyboard,
Not quite right...............
Ordered 1
Delivered 1
Operating 3
= 1 ordered (which has been delivered)
Operating 3 (means other 2 are leased)
Search GECAS & ILFC.
The ironic aspect about people who vote with their feet is that they never benefit from the fallout. I believe the BMI management have an attitude which says "well if they haven't left they're going to stay so why pay them more."
Bishop himself regarded BMI as a training airline for longhaul carriers. (Many years ago at a BALPA jobs day out)
Not quite right...............
Ordered 1
Delivered 1
Operating 3
= 1 ordered (which has been delivered)
Operating 3 (means other 2 are leased)
Search GECAS & ILFC.
The ironic aspect about people who vote with their feet is that they never benefit from the fallout. I believe the BMI management have an attitude which says "well if they haven't left they're going to stay so why pay them more."
Bishop himself regarded BMI as a training airline for longhaul carriers. (Many years ago at a BALPA jobs day out)
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Result...
"The result has been an Overwhelming NO vote and rejection to the Pay Offer of 1.5% as Balloted."
As I think has also been the case in bmi baby.
Interesting times.
"The result has been an Overwhelming NO vote and rejection to the Pay Offer of 1.5% as Balloted."
As I think has also been the case in bmi baby.
Interesting times.
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There may not be a flood, but the first trickle is oozing from the A330 fleet. 8 more to go from there, and many more to follow.
Final Salary Pension? Excellent, one less to pay out.
6 Years of increments v Year One Oxo? More savings.
Training costs? We have the Trg Capts and Sims - use them.
They don't care. ('Let them go' was the quote from ##).
What's BA/Virgin's telephone number - I don't want to be left behind in the rush..........!!!
Final Salary Pension? Excellent, one less to pay out.
6 Years of increments v Year One Oxo? More savings.
Training costs? We have the Trg Capts and Sims - use them.
They don't care. ('Let them go' was the quote from ##).
What's BA/Virgin's telephone number - I don't want to be left behind in the rush..........!!!
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I have it on good authority that despite a lot of BM interviews taking place at BA (more than 70), only about 7 considered suitable, and those not actually offered jobs anyway due to the pension fiasco going on at BA.
A more cynical person might suspect that the two companies have an informal agreement not to screw each other too much, one with fares and the other with recruitment.
If I were MB I wouldn't be losing any sleep over pilot departures.
A more cynical person might suspect that the two companies have an informal agreement not to screw each other too much, one with fares and the other with recruitment.
If I were MB I wouldn't be losing any sleep over pilot departures.
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bmi pilots reject pay deal
Apparently the pilots at bmi have rejected the company 1.5% pay offer by a resounding 95% vote against it. From what I hear a ballot for industrial action will follow shortly.
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I seriously doubt that BA has any interest in looking after bmi. However, bmi training is considered of very high quality, and their Airbus pilots are as good as any - I think BA recruitment is still missing the point. Either that, or bmi pilots have too much character 
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So the pilots reject the pay offer. whoopeedo, what a surprise. So the negotiations go on a while longer, in the meantime they don't get their payrise yet. The question is, who will drag it out longer? the company to avoid paying out more money, or the union who have to justify their subscriptions to the members.
The company has already made the offer of a payrise. So who are the greedy ones? The pilots wanting a bigger payrise than their fellow employees or the unions who feel it is their duty to delay talks as long as possible.
The company has already made the offer of a payrise. So who are the greedy ones? The pilots wanting a bigger payrise than their fellow employees or the unions who feel it is their duty to delay talks as long as possible.