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Old 19th May 2004, 15:08
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Thompsonfly Flapstrike?

I just heard that one of Thompsonfly's 737s suffered a flapstrike on landing. I don't know where or any further details than that. Can someone shed some light on this?

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Flapstrike ? Whats one of those ? New to me.

If you perhaps mean a birdstrike on one of the flaps then it probably did. So what ? Happens every day all over the country!
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With a certain nose up attitude and a certain degree of bank the TE Flaps will make contact with the runway before the enginecowling does...
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Are you saying that on this ocassion, next in line for runway contact is engine cowling?
What did they do with the landing gear?
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Sorry for being unclear, one of the maingears is obviously firmly on the ground in an instance like this...

If you have a Boeing FCTM for the 737 available you'll find on page 4.58 a diagram showing the pitch-angle versus roll angle at which the Flap Track Fairing and engine nacelle respectively will make ground contact.
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Brenoch,


Ah I see. For those of us who dont have a 737 FCTM could you give us an idea of what kind of pitch / roll angles are required ?
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We had the same thing a little while back. A little behind the power curve, a bit of unstabilized touchy feely near the ground and ooops there goes the fairing.
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I seem to remember about 11 degrees roll with one main gear compressed will scrape a flap fairing.
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Old 19th May 2004, 18:37
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Is this meant to have happened at coventry today? if so i'll pop down and see what I can see...
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As I said, I only just heard about it and I don't know when or where.. I was hoping someone would be able to share some info about this, if it infact has occured. The person who told me said the 737 is grounded at the moment and apparently also the skipper who planted it...

Memory serves you well Notso..

At about 7 degrees nose up and 11 degrees worth of bank the trailing edge flap fairing will make ground contact.. Also on the new 737 stretched versions (800/900) the LE slats will also make ground contact...
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Just an ingested bird and boroscope inspection,perhaps your source meant the bird had a flapstrike when it tried to swallow the CFM.

Incidentally how can you strike the LE slats with NLG extended?
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But did they have one or didn't they?
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Old 20th May 2004, 16:23
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spud ..... the problem is that 98% of replies revolve around the suggestion that technically, what is being questioned, could not happen !!!!

after a while, and often many post, a few gen guys post the info that technically the type of incident could happen ...... but by that stage everyone has forgotten what the original question was !!!!

....so we never get to know the answer !!!!
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Old 20th May 2004, 17:54
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Are we absolutely sure this 'incident' happened at all? Out of respect for Thomsonfly's good reputation and the reputation of their crews, unless confirmation can be given that the incident did occur, we stop dissecting it!
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Well, that was the point from the very beginning. I was wondering if it infact has occured.
And if so, if anyone has information regarding when and where...

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Well you raised it, so why not illuminate us with where you got this 'nugget'. Like another thread, it really seems to be a grand waste of time and attention doesn't it? So let's put up or shut up?
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Well, it is rumours and news isn't it. I heard it from a friend of mine who is with Brits. He told me this and that was all he knew.
Stupid me let the question fly on Pprune to see if anyone else had heard it.

Where you place your attention is entirely up to you dear Sir, I'm terribly sorry if you managed to waste some of your precious time reading through this thread.
May I recommend some other reading containing facts only, either way I think you are in the wrong place mate...

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hobie... Bravo!

As a new member I find that most people post just for the sake of arguing. This is a rumour forum after all and not a technical one.

I've seen members tell other members they should not post unless they are 100% sure of their rumour. Can a rumour be 100% positively undoubtedly correct? I wonder.
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I find that most people post just for the sake of arguing.
Oh no we don't!
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A Flap strike? Hmmm…what version of 737 is it? What colour is it (very important!)? Where the flaps fully extended? Are you sure? How qualified are the pilots? Did they have to drive more than 2 hours to get to work that day? How far away was the eye witness? Is the witness a pilot, ‘cause if not why would he know what a flap is?! When was the flap in question last inspected? Were the mechanics fully qualified and certified?
Was it a Port or Starboard flap?

Only once ALL of these questions are answered may someone respond to the RUMOUR itself and provide curious readers feedback. However, if you do dare reply, you better have a PHD in rumourology.

Happy reading to all.
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