Thompsonfly Flapstrike?
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I'm still doing my thesis on rumourology, but this picture came to mind when I read the topic... just tought I'd share it with you:
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/290100/L/
I believe this constitutes a NEAR-flapstrike.
http://www.airliners.net/open.file/290100/L/
I believe this constitutes a NEAR-flapstrike.
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How can you possibly put up a picture like this without specifying which side the wind was from? Honestly, you 'civilians' leave out the most basic information.
In the meantime, this whole thread is the result of a 'porkie'..........
In the meantime, this whole thread is the result of a 'porkie'..........
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It DOESN'T MATTER where the wind was coming from.
I posted it to illustrate to the people having a hard time imagining a 737 having a flap strike, what it actually IS.
Plus, the "you civilians" comment doesn't exactly help pilot/non-pilot relations now does it?
And furthermore, do you really think I would "leave out the most basic information" when I didn't even have it in the first place? If I would have known where the bloody wind was coming from I would have posted it along with the link, but I didn't, so there.
I posted it to illustrate to the people having a hard time imagining a 737 having a flap strike, what it actually IS.
Plus, the "you civilians" comment doesn't exactly help pilot/non-pilot relations now does it?
And furthermore, do you really think I would "leave out the most basic information" when I didn't even have it in the first place? If I would have known where the bloody wind was coming from I would have posted it along with the link, but I didn't, so there.
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Im curious to know why all you chaps out their are so keen to know whether or not one of our 735s scraped a flap or not - as far as I know the aircraft had a bird through the engine-I was not working at the time and cannot be bothered to ask the engineers if they can confirm this rumour,and perhaps call the captain and ask him what happened,are you grounded etc.....?
Brenoch I think you are well meaning but the manner of your posting is irksome to say the least as there is nothing of substance to it.
Let me illustrate the kind of post that in this vein that could be worthy of discussion...
737 undershoots at cvt,scrapes pod and the on runway and looses te flaps,bursting main gear tyres in the process as witnessed by.....
And here we have
My mate from brits think thomson fly had a flapstrike.....
All three aircraft flew without delay the day after this incident so the kind of rectification required by a serious flapstrikewould not have been possible. Why all the excitement-this is a professional pilots rumour network,if you are gonna post this kind of rumour then do the it on the spotters forum (they could have told you that all the aircraft where operational) or somewhere else where it may merit discussion.
Brenoch I think you are well meaning but the manner of your posting is irksome to say the least as there is nothing of substance to it.
Let me illustrate the kind of post that in this vein that could be worthy of discussion...
737 undershoots at cvt,scrapes pod and the on runway and looses te flaps,bursting main gear tyres in the process as witnessed by.....
And here we have
My mate from brits think thomson fly had a flapstrike.....
All three aircraft flew without delay the day after this incident so the kind of rectification required by a serious flapstrikewould not have been possible. Why all the excitement-this is a professional pilots rumour network,if you are gonna post this kind of rumour then do the it on the spotters forum (they could have told you that all the aircraft where operational) or somewhere else where it may merit discussion.
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Dear Frosty Hoar
I am sorry we are not in the same league of Professionalism you are in.
Yes the website’s title has the word professional in it but it also has the word rumour!
Are you going to tell us what constitutes or is worthy of the title rumour? Are only rumours that meet your standard of professionalism allowed?
Perhaps when you fly you have such silly and mundane accidents as flap strikes every day but for the rest of us they are far and in between.
I guess I just missed the thread where you offer the course ‘constructive English for writers 101’. Please feel free to tell me how I should have worded this post to meet your professional attitude. If you do not like what you read and think it is silly, stop reading it! By offering your silly remarks, you yourself are turning this thread into nothing. Next time, perhaps the HUMOUR forum would be more appropriate.
Good day.
I am sorry we are not in the same league of Professionalism you are in.
this is a professional pilots rumour network
Are you going to tell us what constitutes or is worthy of the title rumour? Are only rumours that meet your standard of professionalism allowed?
Why all the excitement
Let me illustrate the kind of post that
Good day.
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Dear Galil......
My response to the original posting (regarding engine ingested bird) was to the best of my knowledge factual,my second posting was a product of exasperation as I had already answered the question in hand.
I will attempt to answer your questions....
Apology accepted.
No, I did that in my last post.
No I dont, and yes these incidents are few and far between and in this case the incident in question did not happen anyway.
I was criticising the content of the post and not the grammar,I cannot tell you how to word your own posts,for this I would need a
best regards FH.
My response to the original posting (regarding engine ingested bird) was to the best of my knowledge factual,my second posting was a product of exasperation as I had already answered the question in hand.
I will attempt to answer your questions....
I am sorry we are not in the same league of Professionalism you are in.
Are you going to tell us what constitutes or is worthy of the title rumour?
Perhaps when you fly you have such silly and mundane accidents as flap strikes every day but for the rest of us they are far and in between.
I guess I just missed the thread where you offer the course ‘constructive English for writers 101’. Please feel free to tell me how I should have worded this post to meet your professional attitude. If you do not like what you read and think it is silly, stop reading it! By offering your silly remarks, you yourself are turning this thread into nothing. Next time, perhaps the HUMOUR forum would be more appropriate.
PHD in rumourology.
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There was a minor flapstrike, although it didn't cause any delays. There was a runway inspection (routine) immediately after the landing which found a few bits of the flap fairing at the touchdown point. Crew were notified, aircraft checked but damage well within limits and aircraft operated next sector on schedule.
Hope this clears it up....
Hope this clears it up....
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a minor flapstrike
very minor airprox
Just an ingested bird and boroscope inspection
a few bits of the flap fairing at the touchdown point
Coventry Airport Security - A World Gone Mad??
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Courtman - Any particular reason for the flapstrike incident given? I dont remember strong/variable winds or anything? Surely not just lack of pilot skill? [....prepares to be flamed....]
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I suspect that with a bit of effort someone could get a Degree Thesis out of this thread .....
Brenoch ..... very pleased that you finally got your question answered ....
Brenoch ..... very pleased that you finally got your question answered ....
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i witnessed this incident at coventry. i was duty observer on the British Transport Police Air Support Unit at the time, and was at the far end of runway 23 with clear view of the approaching aircraft. please excuse any lack of technical knowledge due to me not being a pilot, but this is what i saw.
737 was on finals to runway 23. at approx 150 feet the pilot increased thrust quite significantly ... engine noise cannot usually be heard from the far end of the airfield. as the aircraft was about 50 feet above the runway the starboard wing dropped by about 30 degrees. the pilot just managed to recover and made a very heavey touchdown on the main starboard gear. then bounced onto the left gear, before bouncing back onto both main gear. the pilot then made an incredibly short roll-out, coming to a halt only just past the Echo taxiway to the south apron. aircraft then taxied normally to the stand.
having spoken to the ASU pilot, who was conincidentally at the other end of the runway on the day in question, he states that the starboard wing did indeed scrap the grass on the right hand edge of R23 and left a nice furrow.
hope this helps all of you trying to find out about this incident.
probably best you don't tell the local residents ... they seem to have a big problem with thompsonfly operating their big, noisey, polluting 737-400s and this will just upset them more. strange they don't have a problem with Air Atlantics DC-6s operating at all hours day and night!!
further to above, ATC were later heard asking other pilots to report any occurances of windshear near the threshold of R23.
737 was on finals to runway 23. at approx 150 feet the pilot increased thrust quite significantly ... engine noise cannot usually be heard from the far end of the airfield. as the aircraft was about 50 feet above the runway the starboard wing dropped by about 30 degrees. the pilot just managed to recover and made a very heavey touchdown on the main starboard gear. then bounced onto the left gear, before bouncing back onto both main gear. the pilot then made an incredibly short roll-out, coming to a halt only just past the Echo taxiway to the south apron. aircraft then taxied normally to the stand.
having spoken to the ASU pilot, who was conincidentally at the other end of the runway on the day in question, he states that the starboard wing did indeed scrap the grass on the right hand edge of R23 and left a nice furrow.
hope this helps all of you trying to find out about this incident.
probably best you don't tell the local residents ... they seem to have a big problem with thompsonfly operating their big, noisey, polluting 737-400s and this will just upset them more. strange they don't have a problem with Air Atlantics DC-6s operating at all hours day and night!!
further to above, ATC were later heard asking other pilots to report any occurances of windshear near the threshold of R23.
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I must step in with some observations there Robnewman.
1- you were at the far end of 23- say a mile away, upwind in a strong wind (evidently windshear present?). What you heard from the engines would not have coincided with events occuring on the aeroplane. So if engine noise cannot usually be heard from the other end of the airfield, are you sure it was
this aeroplane you heard or other engine sounds? In a wind like that you should not have been able to hear at all.
2- I don't find a landing following a 30 degree wing drop at 50' credible. Any pilot I know would go around immediately- an option that was available right up to touchdown.
3- What scraped the grass- the wingtip or the flap fairing? If it was the flap fairing the aircraft must have been very close to the edge! If the wingtip, scraping it through grass usually involves a crash.
4- What was your observation point? Were you located in a vehicle?
5- Did you observe the aircraft close-up following the incident?
1- you were at the far end of 23- say a mile away, upwind in a strong wind (evidently windshear present?). What you heard from the engines would not have coincided with events occuring on the aeroplane. So if engine noise cannot usually be heard from the other end of the airfield, are you sure it was
this aeroplane you heard or other engine sounds? In a wind like that you should not have been able to hear at all.
2- I don't find a landing following a 30 degree wing drop at 50' credible. Any pilot I know would go around immediately- an option that was available right up to touchdown.
3- What scraped the grass- the wingtip or the flap fairing? If it was the flap fairing the aircraft must have been very close to the edge! If the wingtip, scraping it through grass usually involves a crash.
4- What was your observation point? Were you located in a vehicle?
5- Did you observe the aircraft close-up following the incident?