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Everything on board now is up to date. Yes there was a problem which the management knew about and did not take action till they had to last week. That is were the problem lay but again everything is ok now
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I know that and thats why they got into this problem in the first place. I have seen the system and gone through it and it will keep everything up to date. The only thing that is wrong with it is it doesnt have any plates in the brick for the airports we fly to. It does mean that the crews must bring up alot of plates with them and it would make easier for everybody if they just put them all in. All the paper that will use and since there is a cut back on A4 paper what will ops do when they have already signed out there 25 copies??
Still after all that i do think it will work out fine.
Still after all that i do think it will work out fine.
Pirate,
Surely the CAA as guardians of Air Safety in UK airspace would have sufficient juristiction to ground an aircraft or indeed stop them flying in UK airspace should thery consider it unsafe to do so. Having Jeppies so many amendments behind may constitute a breach of safety.
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Surely the CAA as guardians of Air Safety in UK airspace would have sufficient juristiction to ground an aircraft or indeed stop them flying in UK airspace should thery consider it unsafe to do so. Having Jeppies so many amendments behind may constitute a breach of safety.
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Sounds like the new system brings FR in line with third world operators. The FR posters here ( if genuine ) don't even seem to know compromises what a proper system.
Even if we assume the poster who said offline plates were not carried except at the commanders discretion ( it is not unknown for a certain company to pressurise skippers ) was joking or lying, there is still obviously an enormous gap between FR and 'best industry practise'.
The IAA are a farce and should hang their heads in shame. Their main objective is to fund themselves by overcharging the entire industry. They are pathetic to deal with despite the money they charge and really ( other than a few retired airline pilots ) have little knowledge of a real operation.
Even if we assume the poster who said offline plates were not carried except at the commanders discretion ( it is not unknown for a certain company to pressurise skippers ) was joking or lying, there is still obviously an enormous gap between FR and 'best industry practise'.
The IAA are a farce and should hang their heads in shame. Their main objective is to fund themselves by overcharging the entire industry. They are pathetic to deal with despite the money they charge and really ( other than a few retired airline pilots ) have little knowledge of a real operation.
Why doesnt oleary pass by the BA compass centre,he might
just pick up the latest out of date aerad booklets that have
just been binned.Sorry they are not jeppesen but you can read them.
how come that ar......le appears as one of the captains of
industry on the BBC breakfast show,surely he should have been aassaulted by one of his staff by now?
just pick up the latest out of date aerad booklets that have
just been binned.Sorry they are not jeppesen but you can read them.
how come that ar......le appears as one of the captains of
industry on the BBC breakfast show,surely he should have been aassaulted by one of his staff by now?
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I would like to know what makes it sound third world like?
Sounds more like a case of FR bashing. Since you have no idea what is like i would think it is hard to make a judgement about it. All crews seem to be happy with it so just because your carrier doesnt use it doesnt make it wrong. Time to teach an old dog new tricks.
Sounds more like a case of FR bashing. Since you have no idea what is like i would think it is hard to make a judgement about it. All crews seem to be happy with it so just because your carrier doesnt use it doesnt make it wrong. Time to teach an old dog new tricks.
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Ryanair Jeppesen
New RYR system is now in place . It is the best I have seen and I suspect more operators will introduce it once they take the time to recognise the benifit of change . It is simple to check ,simple to use, and dead simple to revise . Well done Ryanair and Jeppesen . Another sacred cow bites the dust!
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Surely the CAA as guardians of Air Safety in UK airspace would have sufficient juristiction to ground an aircraft or indeed stop them flying in UK airspace should thery consider it unsafe to do so. Having Jeppies so many amendments behind may constitute a breach of safety.
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throttle up FR bashing this is not. This new system is pronounced safe so long as pilots take with them sufficient plates to cover a diversion that is not covered in the trip kit. Without the extra plates, pilots have to rely on breaking in to a seal packet called the "brick".
The so-called "brick" allegedly has ALL European airports with a runway 6000ft or longer, plus selected airfields with shorter runways. Well having seen the "brick" I'd question that comment.
How can something the size of a house brick replace 4 A5 Jepps binders? Lets face it, there are a huge amount of airports in Europe with runways 6000ft or longer. So, what plates are missing from the brick? SIDS and STARS maybe ?
Keep the thread going, it's a very interesting subject.
The so-called "brick" allegedly has ALL European airports with a runway 6000ft or longer, plus selected airfields with shorter runways. Well having seen the "brick" I'd question that comment.
How can something the size of a house brick replace 4 A5 Jepps binders? Lets face it, there are a huge amount of airports in Europe with runways 6000ft or longer. So, what plates are missing from the brick? SIDS and STARS maybe ?
Keep the thread going, it's a very interesting subject.
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This is the kind of topics that are interesting for regulators and journo's alike. It is a basic safety issue and if we are not happy with it and have nobody in the company taking us serious I hope they will ask the questions!! 
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"Makes one wonder if FR are not lining the IAA's pocket with something other than out of date Jepps....."
just goes to show how little some of you know about how things work over here. That is a slanderous remark which you should be brought to task for. Perhaps you might consult with NATS about the IAA: they might give you all a better idea about what the IAA are like to deal with.
just goes to show how little some of you know about how things work over here. That is a slanderous remark which you should be brought to task for. Perhaps you might consult with NATS about the IAA: they might give you all a better idea about what the IAA are like to deal with.
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Iod says "management knew about this... but did not take action until they had to" doesn't say much for FR management. Also to say that all crews are happy with this setup is total rubbish. I guess Iod is one of Mr Brady's bunch.
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SNNEI I know exactly how things work inside FR and there is nothing slanderous about my comment. It's just an observation because it often seems that "the tail is wagging the dog".
And I also know what the IAA are like to deal with. I've dealt with them in the past. Lets just say, they are opening their eyes finally.
And I also know what the IAA are like to deal with. I've dealt with them in the past. Lets just say, they are opening their eyes finally.
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Just Ryanair bashing
Most of the above posts are just Ryanair bashing by the uninformed or people with some sort of anti-Ryanair agenda.
The ryanair system for the distribution of "jepp" plates is no better or worse than most other airlines , the fact that the "jeppview" copys are used most of the time may well mean that the crews get to see the latest Jepp plates marginaly quicker than they would if the books were changed as is traditional in the industry.
The thing that is of most interest to me is how a non-issue like this one has run to three pages , I know that Ryanair is not the most popular company in the industry but guys if you are going to have a pop at them please cut to the real issues.
Please Note I have no conection with Ryanair apart from working on a lease deal with them and having seen the system from the inside.
The ryanair system for the distribution of "jepp" plates is no better or worse than most other airlines , the fact that the "jeppview" copys are used most of the time may well mean that the crews get to see the latest Jepp plates marginaly quicker than they would if the books were changed as is traditional in the industry.
The thing that is of most interest to me is how a non-issue like this one has run to three pages , I know that Ryanair is not the most popular company in the industry but guys if you are going to have a pop at them please cut to the real issues.
Please Note I have no conection with Ryanair apart from working on a lease deal with them and having seen the system from the inside.
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Not only are you very wrong, you are actually not being very truthful.
I KNOW how poorly the jeppesen plates in RYR, particularly in STN, have been kept. Most airlines ( my new one included) get their entire jeppesen kits update every fortnight by bag change. This is done by a specialist company who make a reasonable charge for something that is of high SAFETY value.
Unfortunately, MOL has quite openly demonstrated his distain for spending money on safety related matters, and it is now all coming home to roost.
The IAA inspector who raised this issue has recently joined the authority. I expect this is just the first shot across the RYR bows to get their act together.
As an aside, I understand RYR aircraft, particularly around the London Zone) have taken to flying very slowly ( 240kts at 20,000 I heard them tell a surprised controller the other day). Industrial action perhaps?
Not only are you very wrong, you are actually not being very truthful.
I KNOW how poorly the jeppesen plates in RYR, particularly in STN, have been kept. Most airlines ( my new one included) get their entire jeppesen kits update every fortnight by bag change. This is done by a specialist company who make a reasonable charge for something that is of high SAFETY value.
Unfortunately, MOL has quite openly demonstrated his distain for spending money on safety related matters, and it is now all coming home to roost.
The IAA inspector who raised this issue has recently joined the authority. I expect this is just the first shot across the RYR bows to get their act together.
As an aside, I understand RYR aircraft, particularly around the London Zone) have taken to flying very slowly ( 240kts at 20,000 I heard them tell a surprised controller the other day). Industrial action perhaps?
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Here here!! I have seen the dog earred bad photo copies that FR try to pass off as legit plates. Nothing short of scandalous that they get away with it. Invariably the top left corner is stapled, covering important info.
Here here!! I have seen the dog earred bad photo copies that FR try to pass off as legit plates. Nothing short of scandalous that they get away with it. Invariably the top left corner is stapled, covering important info.
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240kts @ 20000ft? Not that would be a surprise, considering they've been known to fly 300+kts at 3000ft or less while being vectored by approach to get ahead of the traffic, if there's any possibility of a number one position!!
240kts @ 20000ft? Not that would be a surprise, considering they've been known to fly 300+kts at 3000ft or less while being vectored by approach to get ahead of the traffic, if there's any possibility of a number one position!!