BA & VS denied access to US airspace ?
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BA & VS denied access to US airspace ?
Howcome BA & Virgin are not being allowed to resume flights to the US and yet the United & American are ?
Is this sort sort of protectionism on the part of the FAA ?
Only US carriers are allowed access to the US
until security at foreign airports & airlines is improved.
Are they seriously suggesting that UK carriers have inferior security to their own..!
Whose aircraft was it that was hijcked in the first place !
Is this sort sort of protectionism on the part of the FAA ?
Only US carriers are allowed access to the US
until security at foreign airports & airlines is improved.
Are they seriously suggesting that UK carriers have inferior security to their own..!
Whose aircraft was it that was hijcked in the first place !
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Yep, definitely US protectionism ... as usual.
With the rest of the world - and especially the UK - bending over backwards to help the Yanks in their hour of need, this is no way to treat friends.
On the basis that US carriers are demonstrably insecure, perhaps they should be banned from international airspace until their security has been checked out by the world's aviation authorities?
With the rest of the world - and especially the UK - bending over backwards to help the Yanks in their hour of need, this is no way to treat friends.
On the basis that US carriers are demonstrably insecure, perhaps they should be banned from international airspace until their security has been checked out by the world's aviation authorities?
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Every weapon used on all the flights I have personally carried on both Virgin and BA in my travels to Europe.
Untill there is a federal marshall on the European carriers as well as the domestics I don't want em over my house.
It is NOT protectionism, and if that is what you think, then **** you.
This is a whole new world, wake up and smell the coffee.
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Untill there is a federal marshall on the European carriers as well as the domestics I don't want em over my house.
It is NOT protectionism, and if that is what you think, then **** you.
This is a whole new world, wake up and smell the coffee.
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Gents,
Please let's try and be civil. The US Government have taken their decision based on the information THEY have available to them, not what we think they know.
By the same token, perhaps here in the UK we should reconsider whether to accept flights originating from the US carriers until our Government have assured themselves that the poor level of security which existed in the US has been upgraded ?? If that would cause them to squeal, (which I doubt since they more than us will understand the current situation and the measures which need to result) then as Wino says, **** them.
Regardless of all that, our friends and colleagues in the US should have our full support and sympathy in this harrowing time.
Please let's try and be civil. The US Government have taken their decision based on the information THEY have available to them, not what we think they know.
By the same token, perhaps here in the UK we should reconsider whether to accept flights originating from the US carriers until our Government have assured themselves that the poor level of security which existed in the US has been upgraded ?? If that would cause them to squeal, (which I doubt since they more than us will understand the current situation and the measures which need to result) then as Wino says, **** them.
Regardless of all that, our friends and colleagues in the US should have our full support and sympathy in this harrowing time.
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typical response from a no-nothing blowhard. You have no clue as to what is going on over here so why don't you shut your yap. Half of the American airlines are still not flying anywhere, and the only reason the FAA has allowed ANY airline to operate internationally is to help stranded passengers get home. We, as a nation, are still in a state of shock, and the last thing we are thinking about is business or any kind of protectionism (other than protecting our people and shores). Yet you, like the gutter snipe you are, continue to toss your unwelcome rhetoric at American businesses, the American people, and the American flag. I can almost guarantee you that your airline will NEVER operate in this country if I have to get elected to congress to stop it.
typical response from a no-nothing blowhard. You have no clue as to what is going on over here so why don't you shut your yap. Half of the American airlines are still not flying anywhere, and the only reason the FAA has allowed ANY airline to operate internationally is to help stranded passengers get home. We, as a nation, are still in a state of shock, and the last thing we are thinking about is business or any kind of protectionism (other than protecting our people and shores). Yet you, like the gutter snipe you are, continue to toss your unwelcome rhetoric at American businesses, the American people, and the American flag. I can almost guarantee you that your airline will NEVER operate in this country if I have to get elected to congress to stop it.
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from press.britishairways.com
British Airways flies to the USA
British Airways plans to resume operations to the USA with the immediate dispatch of aircraft to the United States.
Formal confirmation has been received within the past hour from the Federal Aviation Administration confirming it is satisfied with British Airways' security measures and that the airline can fly into American airspace.
This evening, British Airways will operate two B747-400 aircraft into New York JFK and a B777 into Philadelphia.
The first B747-400 will depart immediately to position into New York ready to bring back tomorrow many British Airways' passengers that have been stranded at JFK airport since the terrorist attacks. The B777 aircraft outbound to Philadelphia will also be a positioning flight ready to fly back passengers tomorrow.
The airline will allocate seats on board its second evening service to New York. Within the time available British Airways is in the process of contacting customers impacted by the disrupted schedules and those in the terminals and priority will be given on compassionate grounds.
The airline plans to operate services out of the UK tomorrow to repatriate passengers to the USA.
Over the next few days, British Airways plans to gradually resume its full schedule of services to and from the US as many of the US airports re-open. The airline operates to 23 US destinations from London Heathrow, 12 from London Gatwick and one from Manchester.
The airline said: "British Airways is very pleased to be able to return to the United States this evening. Our thoughts remain with all those people affected by this week's atrocities in the United States and with our colleagues at American and United Airlines."
The airline's reservations number 0845 77 999 77 is open for customer enquiries. Bookings for future flights can also be made using the airline's website www.britishairways.com or via travel agents.
Flights to Tel Aviv are also operating normally although flights to Islamabad are suspended until further notice.
British Airways plans to resume operations to the USA with the immediate dispatch of aircraft to the United States.
Formal confirmation has been received within the past hour from the Federal Aviation Administration confirming it is satisfied with British Airways' security measures and that the airline can fly into American airspace.
This evening, British Airways will operate two B747-400 aircraft into New York JFK and a B777 into Philadelphia.
The first B747-400 will depart immediately to position into New York ready to bring back tomorrow many British Airways' passengers that have been stranded at JFK airport since the terrorist attacks. The B777 aircraft outbound to Philadelphia will also be a positioning flight ready to fly back passengers tomorrow.
The airline will allocate seats on board its second evening service to New York. Within the time available British Airways is in the process of contacting customers impacted by the disrupted schedules and those in the terminals and priority will be given on compassionate grounds.
The airline plans to operate services out of the UK tomorrow to repatriate passengers to the USA.
Over the next few days, British Airways plans to gradually resume its full schedule of services to and from the US as many of the US airports re-open. The airline operates to 23 US destinations from London Heathrow, 12 from London Gatwick and one from Manchester.
The airline said: "British Airways is very pleased to be able to return to the United States this evening. Our thoughts remain with all those people affected by this week's atrocities in the United States and with our colleagues at American and United Airlines."
The airline's reservations number 0845 77 999 77 is open for customer enquiries. Bookings for future flights can also be made using the airline's website www.britishairways.com or via travel agents.
Flights to Tel Aviv are also operating normally although flights to Islamabad are suspended until further notice.
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Sure didn’t take long for the nationalistic chinks to show up in 'our' brave united face.
The airports are just as accessible in the UK as they are here but you know what: THERE WASN'T ANY SECURITY BREACH ON THE GROUND. They used minimal weapons (that could have easily been substituted with galley or meal utensils), bomb threats, and a numbered force. Last Tuesday could have very easily taken place in the UK!
Yes... "Don’t let the Bastards get to you!"
The airports are just as accessible in the UK as they are here but you know what: THERE WASN'T ANY SECURITY BREACH ON THE GROUND. They used minimal weapons (that could have easily been substituted with galley or meal utensils), bomb threats, and a numbered force. Last Tuesday could have very easily taken place in the UK!
Yes... "Don’t let the Bastards get to you!"
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Take it easy boys. Don't get carried away with looking into the conspiracy theories behind decisions, we are all trying to get the show back on the road.
To my American collegues, my sincere condolences, but lets not get angry with each other or the bastards who did this evil & wicked deed really have won!
Now is the time to work together(BTW, it's Strumble, not St Rumble)
Take care all!!!
To my American collegues, my sincere condolences, but lets not get angry with each other or the bastards who did this evil & wicked deed really have won!
Now is the time to work together(BTW, it's Strumble, not St Rumble)
Take care all!!!
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I've no doubt that this was simply a case of a limited number of people tasked with the difficult job of tactfully checking the security arrrangements of the thousands of airlines which want to fly to the States. The political ramifications of who was cleared first were probably not uppermost in their minds. Cut the guys some slack and be grateful that you're here to criticise.
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As of first thing in the morning, US time, the list looked like this:
Permitted: Air China, Aeroflot, Turkish, CSA, Olympic, El Al, Swissair, TAP, Cathay, South African, most of the UK charter carriers and more.
Not permitted: SAS, Sabena, Lufthansa, BA, Virgin, KLM, Austrian, Air France.
How on earth is the security of Air China, Turkish, SAA, Olympic or TAP better than that of SAS, Lufthansa, BA, Virgin, or KLM?
Nope it's quite clear, folks - these are all major national airlines that would cause a clear and present economic danger to US carriers. Let's face it, passengers aren't going to be wildly enthusiastic about flying on UA or AA for a while...
And no, there was indeed a security breach. Neither AA nor UA used the profiling systems they are supposed to - the people who are apparently responsible would have been more thoroughly questioned and their plans possibly foiled had that been the case.
Anyway, the sooner everyone can get back up in the air the better - it's only when things return to normal that these animals (whoever they are) will see that they have lost.
Permitted: Air China, Aeroflot, Turkish, CSA, Olympic, El Al, Swissair, TAP, Cathay, South African, most of the UK charter carriers and more.
Not permitted: SAS, Sabena, Lufthansa, BA, Virgin, KLM, Austrian, Air France.
How on earth is the security of Air China, Turkish, SAA, Olympic or TAP better than that of SAS, Lufthansa, BA, Virgin, or KLM?
Nope it's quite clear, folks - these are all major national airlines that would cause a clear and present economic danger to US carriers. Let's face it, passengers aren't going to be wildly enthusiastic about flying on UA or AA for a while...
And no, there was indeed a security breach. Neither AA nor UA used the profiling systems they are supposed to - the people who are apparently responsible would have been more thoroughly questioned and their plans possibly foiled had that been the case.
Anyway, the sooner everyone can get back up in the air the better - it's only when things return to normal that these animals (whoever they are) will see that they have lost.
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Hi Guv,
You live in a dirt cave or something. Because you certainly cannot have seen the pictures of the WTC.
This is not protectionism and if you so believe, good luck running your airline.
This stuff takes time, and had the terrorist taken out the house of Lords and Buckingham palace, I would hope we Americans would have a tad bit more class than yell protectionism.
You live in a dirt cave or something. Because you certainly cannot have seen the pictures of the WTC.
This is not protectionism and if you so believe, good luck running your airline.
This stuff takes time, and had the terrorist taken out the house of Lords and Buckingham palace, I would hope we Americans would have a tad bit more class than yell protectionism.
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Up untill now, while I have argued with the guv, I have never directly insulted him, infact I have occasionally defended him.
I retract all defense of the guv, apologize to those I squawked at when they insulted the guv, and declare him to be the leading asshole on pprune.
If you still think this is protectionist, I can't wait to meet you.
You are the lowest form of life on the planet to use this tradgedy and the chaos that followed to push your protectionist bull**** retoric. How do you know that Virgin and BA weren't the last to approve the use of skymarshals?
You sir are a classless arogant pig, and the epitome of what I came to hate during my years in England. Most of my time with the UK was superb, but you are truly one of the 1 percenters.
Wino
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I retract all defense of the guv, apologize to those I squawked at when they insulted the guv, and declare him to be the leading asshole on pprune.
If you still think this is protectionist, I can't wait to meet you.
You are the lowest form of life on the planet to use this tradgedy and the chaos that followed to push your protectionist bull**** retoric. How do you know that Virgin and BA weren't the last to approve the use of skymarshals?
You sir are a classless arogant pig, and the epitome of what I came to hate during my years in England. Most of my time with the UK was superb, but you are truly one of the 1 percenters.
Wino
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Furthermore, as neither Branson nor the manager du jour of BA were squealing publicly about it, maybe there was a credible threat of a skyjack on a BA or Virgin flihgt.
Wino
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5000+ died, show a little respect. It appearantly buisness as usual with you. God, you disgust me with your protectionism BS. Are you really so stupid you think its protectionism, or are you just looking for a rise? Either way its argued it makes you look like a moron.
5000+ died, show a little respect. It appearantly buisness as usual with you. God, you disgust me with your protectionism BS. Are you really so stupid you think its protectionism, or are you just looking for a rise? Either way its argued it makes you look like a moron.
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Wino (or is it Whino?)
You are totally out of order. The observation that airlines from nations where airport security is positively more suspect than in, say, the UK or Germany, are the first to be welcomed at US airports is a valid one.
I would suggest that if your vocabulary is largely confined to the unprintable, stop wasting space on this site with asterisks!
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You are totally out of order. The observation that airlines from nations where airport security is positively more suspect than in, say, the UK or Germany, are the first to be welcomed at US airports is a valid one.
I would suggest that if your vocabulary is largely confined to the unprintable, stop wasting space on this site with asterisks!
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Pardon me, but I think this discussion is going out of hand. We are here loking at an FAA who allows Egypt Air, Air Ukraine, Turkish and PIA, and denies KLM, SAS, Lufthansa and Austrian Airlines to fly into the US.
IMHO, in view that FAA, on their official list, display Moscow as in 'Former Soviet Union' and Kiev/Borispol in 'Soviet Union' make me suspect that they have lost it - that they operate after 'Your Government haven't complained lod enough - you can't fly!'
But of course - I may be the stupid one, and the German, Scandinavian, Dutch and Austrian security levels are lower than the Egyptian, Pakistani, Ukrainan, Greek, Turkish, Spanish, Portugese (sic), Western Samoan, Cuban etc etc ....
IMHO, in view that FAA, on their official list, display Moscow as in 'Former Soviet Union' and Kiev/Borispol in 'Soviet Union' make me suspect that they have lost it - that they operate after 'Your Government haven't complained lod enough - you can't fly!'
But of course - I may be the stupid one, and the German, Scandinavian, Dutch and Austrian security levels are lower than the Egyptian, Pakistani, Ukrainan, Greek, Turkish, Spanish, Portugese (sic), Western Samoan, Cuban etc etc ....