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Air Atlanta/Excel difficulties at the weekend

Old 19th Apr 2004, 17:21
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Air Atlanta/Excel difficulties at the weekend

I believe it was a rough weekend for Air Atlanta.

A crew who had been 3 days in Lourdes were late to the airport for their return flight!!

Then they had problems starting one of the engines causing a significant delay.

On arrival back in UK the A/c was used to cover for Air Excel tech probs on Spanish holiday destinations.

A/c arrived back at LGW and they didn't have a crew to operate down to LDE to collect the disabled and fly them back to Prestwick. I believe it was a 15hrs delay?

When the aircraft was sent down to LDE it didn't have any catering on board plus it didn't have any tins for the bags!!! Ooooppps

So to mop up the bags that couldn't be carried by a German carrier ex LDE, Air Atlanta diverted a 747-300 ex ALC into LDE to collect the 200 odd remaining bags and took them to MAN. Then by road to Prestwick.

Not a good weekend then folks?
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Old 19th Apr 2004, 18:04
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What a sad life some people lead...............
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Old 19th Apr 2004, 18:07
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it was a cracking weekend i thought
a big congrats to everyone in ops and crewing who achieved miracles this weekend, and all the helpful crew who allowed us to cover everything legally, even if you dont recognise any of the dramas described above as being the one you worked through.
wish we had enough crew to leave some in LDE for 3 days!
Surely not - Air Excel - do u mean KLM Exel? Or excelairways? If you got the name right it would give the rest of the post more authority. Thanks for looking in though

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Old 19th Apr 2004, 19:20
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It wasn't meant as nastily as it reads.

Well done to those who had to cope with the situations. It happens to most airlines at some time.
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Exclamation

And there was me thinking a bag could not be carried without a passenger!
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Old 20th Apr 2004, 07:11
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bags without PAX

Oshkosh George, yes they can!. So called RUSH-BAGS.
When the pax traveled and the bags was left behind due
to operational reasons then the pax and the bag travel
diffrent. If the pax is a NO-SHOW then you better off load
the baggage for obious reasons.

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Old 20th Apr 2004, 08:24
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Oshkosh

Imagine your bag misses connection in LHR (happens all the time btw) during your transit stop there enroute to, say, LAX. When they do find your bag, you wouldn't expect them to sail it over the pond would you?

There are procedures in place to make sure that left-behind bags does not pose a threat, after which they are duly loaded and sent in the general direction of whereever you may be.

Airlines have entire departments doing nothing but tracing and sending left-behind luggage.
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Old 21st Apr 2004, 16:44
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Saudia Operation

I do not know what the Air Atlanta does.

Their on time performance was 65% during Hajj Season, when they were flying for Saudia Airlines (wet lease).

I heard that they rostered crews to lay over at without send return back crew before the flight. Mis management, as I see. I think, they need a strong OCC.
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Old 21st Apr 2004, 17:45
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YAWN YAWN.. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT..

1)aog 75/76 Friday Night - bad start to weekend

2) Crew had NOT been 3 days in LDES - they had arrived the night before -at 1800 - they were late to a-c due to having to return to hotel to check-out as they were then asked to the extra sectors and would not get back to LDE that night

3)Ops decided to run with delay to LDE next day...due abysmal handling in MAN, crew did not arrive in LGW until 2359z; needing 18 hours rest

4) Next day, crew could not do LDE/PIK and DUB/IBZ, a-c brought ex BZZ but RAF would not lend pallets - catering was loaded in LDE - that was always planned

5) a-c next day dropped into LDE to get bags - it was a ferry flight IBZ/MAN
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Old 21st Apr 2004, 18:58
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Think AAI better operate under jar regulations.
Some ex AAI have moved on to high positions other airlines.
No lie anymore.
Truth is being told.
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Old 21st Apr 2004, 19:27
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AAI- JAR-OPS

Just Like to know, if air atlanta icelandic/ iceland itself is now a full JAA member. And if so are AAI operating undewr these rules.
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Old 22nd Apr 2004, 04:39
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AAI is under JAR, however, they only adhere to it when it is convienent for them.

I can't wait till they get the -400. AAI is in for a big surprise when they start with that aircraft. I wonder how long it will be until AAI tightens their belt further!!!!

Believe me boys the grass is really greener elsewhere!!!
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Old 22nd Apr 2004, 05:16
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'Crew needed 18 hours rest'

I take it I am right in thinking they must have had an 18 hour day to require 18 hours rest. In my time flying short haul dont think I have ever needed 18 hours rest after a duty.

Maybe just been lucky but that seems horrendous.

Staying put dont like the sound of that.
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Old 22nd Apr 2004, 11:01
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Cool

No problems here in KUL.
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Old 22nd Apr 2004, 22:53
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Don';t know what happened this week end ( I managed to get home for 4 days, Thanks crewing), But over the past 3 years Atlanta / Excel has had a good on time performance.

The JAA / AAI FTL questions that come up often here, Well I would rather operate under the AAI scheme any day ( AAI Scheme does not allow doggy special schemes like the CAA which allow LGW BJL LGW day return with 2 pilots, AAI rules also give Augmented crew proper in flight rest too and when Augmented crews are used an extra 6 hours on top of the previous duty before we can go near the a/c ).

But I heard they are short of JAA crews this year and maybe that is causing some problems. Guess the CAA will have to give some validations out, That will solve any possible problems.
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Old 25th Apr 2004, 11:06
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Yaverona!
On time performance during the Hadj, Your having a laugh!
When they have mustered 465 bodies you go! simple as that.
The roster generally involves the probability of a flight in a 2 to 10 hour slot more like.
In all the years I have never seen anything like a schedule that the hadj authorities will have any chance of meeting let alone the Airlines flying it, and this is based on simple logistics.
The most organised hadj is that of the Indonesians as they are all on package tour type deals where they by and large remain together, however the Saudi Hadj is a different kettle of fish! Flights from Pakistan, Dakka, Egypt, France, Germany, Algeria, Morocco, Iran etc. Generally everyman for himself and many have no intention of returning home!
65 percent sounds amazingly good, I would like to know where this particular statistic came from.
Not Saudi thats for sure, more likely a figment of someones imagination.
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Old 26th Apr 2004, 20:15
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Do I detect a certain amount of animosity towards Air Atlanta?

I bet most of you have a CV in with them anyway...
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Old 27th Apr 2004, 10:58
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We work for these flaming idiots.
CV's are in with all the others., but with this airline's bad reputation and the slow market we are stuck for the time being.
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Old 27th Apr 2004, 16:45
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Funny you should say that... so do I !!!!
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