Air Atlanta/Excel difficulties at the weekend
Air Atlanta/Excel difficulties at the weekend
I believe it was a rough weekend for Air Atlanta.
A crew who had been 3 days in Lourdes were late to the airport for their return flight!!
Then they had problems starting one of the engines causing a significant delay.
On arrival back in UK the A/c was used to cover for Air Excel tech probs on Spanish holiday destinations.
A/c arrived back at LGW and they didn't have a crew to operate down to LDE to collect the disabled and fly them back to Prestwick. I believe it was a 15hrs delay?
When the aircraft was sent down to LDE it didn't have any catering on board plus it didn't have any tins for the bags!!! Ooooppps
So to mop up the bags that couldn't be carried by a German carrier ex LDE, Air Atlanta diverted a 747-300 ex ALC into LDE to collect the 200 odd remaining bags and took them to MAN. Then by road to Prestwick.
Not a good weekend then folks?
A crew who had been 3 days in Lourdes were late to the airport for their return flight!!
Then they had problems starting one of the engines causing a significant delay.
On arrival back in UK the A/c was used to cover for Air Excel tech probs on Spanish holiday destinations.
A/c arrived back at LGW and they didn't have a crew to operate down to LDE to collect the disabled and fly them back to Prestwick. I believe it was a 15hrs delay?
When the aircraft was sent down to LDE it didn't have any catering on board plus it didn't have any tins for the bags!!! Ooooppps
So to mop up the bags that couldn't be carried by a German carrier ex LDE, Air Atlanta diverted a 747-300 ex ALC into LDE to collect the 200 odd remaining bags and took them to MAN. Then by road to Prestwick.
Not a good weekend then folks?
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it was a cracking weekend i thought
a big congrats to everyone in ops and crewing who achieved miracles this weekend, and all the helpful crew who allowed us to cover everything legally, even if you dont recognise any of the dramas described above as being the one you worked through.
wish we had enough crew to leave some in LDE for 3 days!
Surely not - Air Excel - do u mean KLM Exel? Or excelairways? If you got the name right it would give the rest of the post more authority. Thanks for looking in though
a big congrats to everyone in ops and crewing who achieved miracles this weekend, and all the helpful crew who allowed us to cover everything legally, even if you dont recognise any of the dramas described above as being the one you worked through.
wish we had enough crew to leave some in LDE for 3 days!
Surely not - Air Excel - do u mean KLM Exel? Or excelairways? If you got the name right it would give the rest of the post more authority. Thanks for looking in though
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bags without PAX
Oshkosh George, yes they can!. So called RUSH-BAGS.
When the pax traveled and the bags was left behind due
to operational reasons then the pax and the bag travel
diffrent. If the pax is a NO-SHOW then you better off load
the baggage for obious reasons.
NG
When the pax traveled and the bags was left behind due
to operational reasons then the pax and the bag travel
diffrent. If the pax is a NO-SHOW then you better off load
the baggage for obious reasons.
NG
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Oshkosh
Imagine your bag misses connection in LHR (happens all the time btw) during your transit stop there enroute to, say, LAX. When they do find your bag, you wouldn't expect them to sail it over the pond would you?
There are procedures in place to make sure that left-behind bags does not pose a threat, after which they are duly loaded and sent in the general direction of whereever you may be.
Airlines have entire departments doing nothing but tracing and sending left-behind luggage.
There are procedures in place to make sure that left-behind bags does not pose a threat, after which they are duly loaded and sent in the general direction of whereever you may be.
Airlines have entire departments doing nothing but tracing and sending left-behind luggage.
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Saudia Operation
I do not know what the Air Atlanta does.
Their on time performance was 65% during Hajj Season, when they were flying for Saudia Airlines (wet lease).
I heard that they rostered crews to lay over at without send return back crew before the flight. Mis management, as I see. I think, they need a strong OCC.
Their on time performance was 65% during Hajj Season, when they were flying for Saudia Airlines (wet lease).
I heard that they rostered crews to lay over at without send return back crew before the flight. Mis management, as I see. I think, they need a strong OCC.
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YAWN YAWN.. GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT..
1)aog 75/76 Friday Night - bad start to weekend
2) Crew had NOT been 3 days in LDES - they had arrived the night before -at 1800 - they were late to a-c due to having to return to hotel to check-out as they were then asked to the extra sectors and would not get back to LDE that night
3)Ops decided to run with delay to LDE next day...due abysmal handling in MAN, crew did not arrive in LGW until 2359z; needing 18 hours rest
4) Next day, crew could not do LDE/PIK and DUB/IBZ, a-c brought ex BZZ but RAF would not lend pallets - catering was loaded in LDE - that was always planned
5) a-c next day dropped into LDE to get bags - it was a ferry flight IBZ/MAN
2) Crew had NOT been 3 days in LDES - they had arrived the night before -at 1800 - they were late to a-c due to having to return to hotel to check-out as they were then asked to the extra sectors and would not get back to LDE that night
3)Ops decided to run with delay to LDE next day...due abysmal handling in MAN, crew did not arrive in LGW until 2359z; needing 18 hours rest
4) Next day, crew could not do LDE/PIK and DUB/IBZ, a-c brought ex BZZ but RAF would not lend pallets - catering was loaded in LDE - that was always planned
5) a-c next day dropped into LDE to get bags - it was a ferry flight IBZ/MAN
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AAI is under JAR, however, they only adhere to it when it is convienent for them.
I can't wait till they get the -400. AAI is in for a big surprise when they start with that aircraft. I wonder how long it will be until AAI tightens their belt further!!!!
Believe me boys the grass is really greener elsewhere!!!
I can't wait till they get the -400. AAI is in for a big surprise when they start with that aircraft. I wonder how long it will be until AAI tightens their belt further!!!!
Believe me boys the grass is really greener elsewhere!!!
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'Crew needed 18 hours rest'
I take it I am right in thinking they must have had an 18 hour day to require 18 hours rest. In my time flying short haul dont think I have ever needed 18 hours rest after a duty.
Maybe just been lucky but that seems horrendous.
Staying put dont like the sound of that.
I take it I am right in thinking they must have had an 18 hour day to require 18 hours rest. In my time flying short haul dont think I have ever needed 18 hours rest after a duty.
Maybe just been lucky but that seems horrendous.
Staying put dont like the sound of that.
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Don';t know what happened this week end ( I managed to get home for 4 days, Thanks crewing), But over the past 3 years Atlanta / Excel has had a good on time performance.
The JAA / AAI FTL questions that come up often here, Well I would rather operate under the AAI scheme any day ( AAI Scheme does not allow doggy special schemes like the CAA which allow LGW BJL LGW day return with 2 pilots, AAI rules also give Augmented crew proper in flight rest too and when Augmented crews are used an extra 6 hours on top of the previous duty before we can go near the a/c ).
But I heard they are short of JAA crews this year and maybe that is causing some problems. Guess the CAA will have to give some validations out, That will solve any possible problems.
The JAA / AAI FTL questions that come up often here, Well I would rather operate under the AAI scheme any day ( AAI Scheme does not allow doggy special schemes like the CAA which allow LGW BJL LGW day return with 2 pilots, AAI rules also give Augmented crew proper in flight rest too and when Augmented crews are used an extra 6 hours on top of the previous duty before we can go near the a/c ).
But I heard they are short of JAA crews this year and maybe that is causing some problems. Guess the CAA will have to give some validations out, That will solve any possible problems.
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Yaverona!
On time performance during the Hadj, Your having a laugh!
When they have mustered 465 bodies you go! simple as that.
The roster generally involves the probability of a flight in a 2 to 10 hour slot more like.
In all the years I have never seen anything like a schedule that the hadj authorities will have any chance of meeting let alone the Airlines flying it, and this is based on simple logistics.
The most organised hadj is that of the Indonesians as they are all on package tour type deals where they by and large remain together, however the Saudi Hadj is a different kettle of fish! Flights from Pakistan, Dakka, Egypt, France, Germany, Algeria, Morocco, Iran etc. Generally everyman for himself and many have no intention of returning home!
65 percent sounds amazingly good, I would like to know where this particular statistic came from.
Not Saudi thats for sure, more likely a figment of someones imagination.
On time performance during the Hadj, Your having a laugh!
When they have mustered 465 bodies you go! simple as that.
The roster generally involves the probability of a flight in a 2 to 10 hour slot more like.
In all the years I have never seen anything like a schedule that the hadj authorities will have any chance of meeting let alone the Airlines flying it, and this is based on simple logistics.
The most organised hadj is that of the Indonesians as they are all on package tour type deals where they by and large remain together, however the Saudi Hadj is a different kettle of fish! Flights from Pakistan, Dakka, Egypt, France, Germany, Algeria, Morocco, Iran etc. Generally everyman for himself and many have no intention of returning home!
65 percent sounds amazingly good, I would like to know where this particular statistic came from.
Not Saudi thats for sure, more likely a figment of someones imagination.
