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If CRP5 really is a BA pilot, I agree 100% with you.
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"Well I know a pilot who lives near me, and he told me ....... etc" is spotter talk.
Would any genuine professional, even if he didn't work for BA, make such ill-informed, scare-mongering comments at a time like this?
Would a BA pilot be so disloyal to his company and colleagues on a public forum?
If CRP5 is the genuine article, I feel sorry for those unfortunate souls who'll have to fly with him. People who think they know it all are not only a pain to work with, but a liability.
I, for one, intend to do as soon as possible what I've been meaning to do for years ..... treat myself to a flight on the magnificent bird!
But
"Well I know a pilot who lives near me, and he told me ....... etc" is spotter talk.
Would any genuine professional, even if he didn't work for BA, make such ill-informed, scare-mongering comments at a time like this?
Would a BA pilot be so disloyal to his company and colleagues on a public forum?
If CRP5 is the genuine article, I feel sorry for those unfortunate souls who'll have to fly with him. People who think they know it all are not only a pain to work with, but a liability.
I, for one, intend to do as soon as possible what I've been meaning to do for years ..... treat myself to a flight on the magnificent bird!
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CRP5,
I think you'll probably find that three airframes are needed for the LHR-JFK run to allow for a morning flight (out am, back pm), an evening flight (out pm, back the following am) and a spare. Certainly when services operated normally, there was a spare airframe available in case of unserviceability. It's amazing what £5000 per seat can do!!
As far as it being an 'unreliable heap', it operates in extreme conditions of stress so it's very likely to need a bit more TLC than your average airliner.
I think you'll probably find that three airframes are needed for the LHR-JFK run to allow for a morning flight (out am, back pm), an evening flight (out pm, back the following am) and a spare. Certainly when services operated normally, there was a spare airframe available in case of unserviceability. It's amazing what £5000 per seat can do!!
As far as it being an 'unreliable heap', it operates in extreme conditions of stress so it's very likely to need a bit more TLC than your average airliner.
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Frankly, I am appalled at the prospect of bumping into Concorde crews in the hotel once again. Their whole outfit's in a mess - at the end of the day, the share price says it all (Sep 11 irrelavent).
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Don't worry High Volt, as you obviously don't work for BA, you have no chance of getting anywhere near the crew hotel in question, so kindly disappear back to your MS Flight Sim 2000.
And take that other tosser CRP5 with you. If he is a BA pilot, which I doubt, then thank God I don't work for them.
Not my cup of tea, but good luck to the BA supersonic brigade, great to see it flying again.
And take that other tosser CRP5 with you. If he is a BA pilot, which I doubt, then thank God I don't work for them.
Not my cup of tea, but good luck to the BA supersonic brigade, great to see it flying again.
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Well what can I add to this....I'm a ex heavy from the fleet, spent four years in the sheds on nights then spent a few years line maintenance'flying spanner' on the Concorde including round the world in '99 and charters to some strange destinations, mostly high profile. Yeah the aeroplane experiences it's fair share of tech problems, and gets plenty of tender loving care in the hangar.
I now sit here in a maintrol for a busy charter airline and these modern jets they break down just as much beleive me, but spares are easier to come by, still the number of ADD's carried by the modern fleets far out numbers any figure I ever saw on a Concorde, I hear a lot of pilots moaning about 'lack of Mx' on their aeroplanes, never heard a concorde crew complain about that.
I'm licenced on 757/767/744/DC10/A330/A340 and SSC. The physical location of alot of the components on the concorde means that you don't change them in a rush or without a lot of swearing and the hangar is a natural place to work defects properly.
Number of technical ASR's raised per flying hour, may be higher, most of them related to the intakes or air-con systems I seem to remember, systems working in fairly hostile climates.
The crew take care of them problems, and the aircraft continues to operate safely, but reporting criteria are laid down and reports are made, thats what you see.
As for the profit it creates, well let the bean counters come up with that, they are generally unbiased in there axe waving opinion.
So good luck to her crew and passengers may they all enjoy the experience.
I miss the times I had, but I was lucky enough to have them!!!
I now sit here in a maintrol for a busy charter airline and these modern jets they break down just as much beleive me, but spares are easier to come by, still the number of ADD's carried by the modern fleets far out numbers any figure I ever saw on a Concorde, I hear a lot of pilots moaning about 'lack of Mx' on their aeroplanes, never heard a concorde crew complain about that.
I'm licenced on 757/767/744/DC10/A330/A340 and SSC. The physical location of alot of the components on the concorde means that you don't change them in a rush or without a lot of swearing and the hangar is a natural place to work defects properly.
Number of technical ASR's raised per flying hour, may be higher, most of them related to the intakes or air-con systems I seem to remember, systems working in fairly hostile climates.
The crew take care of them problems, and the aircraft continues to operate safely, but reporting criteria are laid down and reports are made, thats what you see.
As for the profit it creates, well let the bean counters come up with that, they are generally unbiased in there axe waving opinion.
So good luck to her crew and passengers may they all enjoy the experience.
I miss the times I had, but I was lucky enough to have them!!!
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So glad the sexy pointy thing has finally made it back after all the setbacks. 
While we have got the crew in here, how much fuel capacity was lost by fitting the armour to the tanks? Each piece looked quite substantial in size and would reduce the capacity some. Is the reduction a big deal for fuel management or relatively minor? I seem remember reading that Shannon had to be the primary destination for some transatlantic crossings to ensure the flight remained legal, then a divert was made to Heathrow.
Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
While we have got the crew in here, how much fuel capacity was lost by fitting the armour to the tanks? Each piece looked quite substantial in size and would reduce the capacity some. Is the reduction a big deal for fuel management or relatively minor? I seem remember reading that Shannon had to be the primary destination for some transatlantic crossings to ensure the flight remained legal, then a divert was made to Heathrow.
Any enlightenment would be appreciated.
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The reduction is hardly worth mentioning really is it.
I am very envious of you crew. It Must be great to get up in the morning and go to work knowing you are going to fly Concorde today
Is it true it was once barrel rolled?
I am very envious of you crew. It Must be great to get up in the morning and go to work knowing you are going to fly Concorde today
Is it true it was once barrel rolled?
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Saw a TV programme a while back about concorde; BA concorde skipper explained how on test flight the testpilot did a roll one way, then invited him to unwind it the other way. So it must be true! 
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Delighted to see it back in the air - it may have been a commercial flop for BAC/Aerospatial but what a technological marvel. I see BA now reckon to push the service life to 2016 - that should give us a chance to see if Boeing's (sub)sonic cruiser comes anywhere near Concorde for grace, pace and class. No chance!
Please remeber all those of you who knock it that tech wise it is a 1960's design - and how many other 1960's designs are still carrying pax without having had major redesign work? Closest is the 737 but even that has new engines (apart from the old 200's that are now on borrowed time).
As for the fuel tank linings - I understand that weight wise the extra has been balanced out by the new lighter cabin fittings, so at least the ZFW is the same.
However, if BA really want to make a bigger profit then the crews should do the double crossing as a day trip! I used to do that in the RAF on VC10s - Wildenrath in Germany to Goose Bay in Canada AND BACK after turnround. Concorde to NY and back will take less time than Wildenrath-Goose-Wildenrath. So come on Nigel, stop tha captains slacking.
Seriously - welcome back chaps. It was/is a good money spinner and has a "rub off" effect on the rest of the company because it is so high profile. Annoying the nimbies, greens, Americans and jealous wannabes (CRP5 - you listening?) has just got to be an added bonus.
Long may she boom.
Edited for additional thoughts.
[ 25 October 2001: Message edited by: moggie ]
Please remeber all those of you who knock it that tech wise it is a 1960's design - and how many other 1960's designs are still carrying pax without having had major redesign work? Closest is the 737 but even that has new engines (apart from the old 200's that are now on borrowed time).
As for the fuel tank linings - I understand that weight wise the extra has been balanced out by the new lighter cabin fittings, so at least the ZFW is the same.
However, if BA really want to make a bigger profit then the crews should do the double crossing as a day trip! I used to do that in the RAF on VC10s - Wildenrath in Germany to Goose Bay in Canada AND BACK after turnround. Concorde to NY and back will take less time than Wildenrath-Goose-Wildenrath. So come on Nigel, stop tha captains slacking.
Seriously - welcome back chaps. It was/is a good money spinner and has a "rub off" effect on the rest of the company because it is so high profile. Annoying the nimbies, greens, Americans and jealous wannabes (CRP5 - you listening?) has just got to be an added bonus.
Long may she boom.
Edited for additional thoughts.
[ 25 October 2001: Message edited by: moggie ]
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Dear Dick
I don't fly Microsoft - by the way, are you a Concorde pilot? I love to bump into fellow pilots down route but from my experience, there is a little arrogance associated with Concorde pilots.
Please, disappear and take that tosser share price with you.
I don't fly Microsoft - by the way, are you a Concorde pilot? I love to bump into fellow pilots down route but from my experience, there is a little arrogance associated with Concorde pilots.
Please, disappear and take that tosser share price with you.
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Low Volt, you ask if I am a Concorde pilot.
Well, even allowing for the fact that you're not exactly the brightest spark around, which bit of then thank God I don't work for them or Not my cup of tea did you not understand?
Been discharging on your own a bit too often have you?
Well, even allowing for the fact that you're not exactly the brightest spark around, which bit of then thank God I don't work for them or Not my cup of tea did you not understand?
Been discharging on your own a bit too often have you?
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Reportedly, Concorde produces 4% of BA's total revenue, and £22,000,000 profit. Thats a couple of pretty big numbers in the present climate!
I also seem to remember that the "mods" cost £17,000,000 Small beer against the ongoing revenue!
I also seem to remember that the "mods" cost £17,000,000 Small beer against the ongoing revenue!
