DEFINATE good news on Concorde
Controversial, moi?
CRP5
You are correct I am a BA pilot. I shall ignore your gratuitous insult about lobotomies.
I do read Flywise. I can't say that I have noticed any greater number (pro - rata ) of incidents involving Concorde than any other aircraft we operate.
I am sure you will accuse me of being blinkered or biased or something but you have avoided actually stating any facts to support your assertions.
The majority of intelligent readers of this BB are surely able to decide for themselves the merits of your opinions if presented with facts. At the moment you seem unable/unwilling to do other than cast serious aspersions with no evidence. Why?
You are correct I am a BA pilot. I shall ignore your gratuitous insult about lobotomies.
I do read Flywise. I can't say that I have noticed any greater number (pro - rata ) of incidents involving Concorde than any other aircraft we operate.
I am sure you will accuse me of being blinkered or biased or something but you have avoided actually stating any facts to support your assertions.
The majority of intelligent readers of this BB are surely able to decide for themselves the merits of your opinions if presented with facts. At the moment you seem unable/unwilling to do other than cast serious aspersions with no evidence. Why?
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CRP5 - don't remember you from the BA forum, must have a trawl back there to read some of your other posts.
Are you having a bad day today? You seem rather upset.
I hope you are feeling better before you take your next flight.
WRT your argument, what relevance to the discussion is the proximity of your home to that of Concorde crew? How does meeting them on a regular basis better qualify you to pronounce on the whole subject, as you suggest?
Does this mean if I move close to Prof Steven Hawking's house I will become an authority on astrophysics?
What fleet are you on?
Are you having a bad day today? You seem rather upset.
I hope you are feeling better before you take your next flight.
WRT your argument, what relevance to the discussion is the proximity of your home to that of Concorde crew? How does meeting them on a regular basis better qualify you to pronounce on the whole subject, as you suggest?
Does this mean if I move close to Prof Steven Hawking's house I will become an authority on astrophysics?
What fleet are you on?
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Gentlemen pleeeeeease. Would you mind going off to the B.A. private forum to slag each other off as its getting a bit off subject here, thanks.
Back to the original thread, I bet they don't start flying untill January at least and then AF(the plane) not being around to fly either........
Can't wait to see it about again though....
Back to the original thread, I bet they don't start flying untill January at least and then AF(the plane) not being around to fly either........
Can't wait to see it about again though....
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OK maybe a bit of heresy here even from a frequent traveller and airplane enthusiast but isn't the Concorde a marginal business proposition at best? I know there is a lot of national pride invested in the old bird but wouldn't the cash be better spent on the basics of running an airline?
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Overstress I am very well thanks, enjoying a week’s leave taking it easy. My absence from the BA private forum should not really concern you, and I feel you have used it to try a deliberately slur my posts.
I tried to answerer a question reference the need for 3 aircraft to service just on route. My assertion the Concorde was a heap of $hit may have been a bit strong for all the devoted Concorde fans amongst us.
However, why do they need three aircraft?
As a new Cadet in 1997 we were taken to the hangers to view Concorde and talk to the engineers ect. As you can tell I am not a massive fan of the slim pointy thing. However the Eng that was showing us round did explain that out of all the aircraft it is the most engineering intensive and therefore has a lot of downtime in the hangar. This was further highlighted some time later during a break in a simulator check whilst talking to another Concorde certified eng. Would you disagree with what I have said so far?
Furthermore my assertion that Concorde has more “in-flight problems” than other aircraft. You could start by reading fly wise, then look at the various graphs they produce from time to time with reference to ASRs filled for incidences to me it seems that per aircraft Concorde does have many more incidences of in-flight problems, this is further supported by verbal accounts by a Captain with rather frayed nerves who had, at his own request asked to be moved from the fleet. Yet further evidence came from talking to the various ex-Concorde crew who live in and around the village where I live (or perhaps they were being untruthful when telling of these problems and I have well and truly been taken in by them). No that does not make me an expert, you’re quite right! However I welcome any answerer from you, M.M, or Two Tun as to why three aircraft are needed!
PS soon to start reporting in the Compass Centre might see you around!!
I tried to answerer a question reference the need for 3 aircraft to service just on route. My assertion the Concorde was a heap of $hit may have been a bit strong for all the devoted Concorde fans amongst us.
However, why do they need three aircraft?
As a new Cadet in 1997 we were taken to the hangers to view Concorde and talk to the engineers ect. As you can tell I am not a massive fan of the slim pointy thing. However the Eng that was showing us round did explain that out of all the aircraft it is the most engineering intensive and therefore has a lot of downtime in the hangar. This was further highlighted some time later during a break in a simulator check whilst talking to another Concorde certified eng. Would you disagree with what I have said so far?
Furthermore my assertion that Concorde has more “in-flight problems” than other aircraft. You could start by reading fly wise, then look at the various graphs they produce from time to time with reference to ASRs filled for incidences to me it seems that per aircraft Concorde does have many more incidences of in-flight problems, this is further supported by verbal accounts by a Captain with rather frayed nerves who had, at his own request asked to be moved from the fleet. Yet further evidence came from talking to the various ex-Concorde crew who live in and around the village where I live (or perhaps they were being untruthful when telling of these problems and I have well and truly been taken in by them). No that does not make me an expert, you’re quite right! However I welcome any answerer from you, M.M, or Two Tun as to why three aircraft are needed!
PS soon to start reporting in the Compass Centre might see you around!!
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CRP5 what you neglect is the fact that this Aircraft is being operated at some extreme conditions be that pressure and temperature and of course the change in both.
Sure it has to undergo lots of maintenance but at these operating conditions it's no wonders .. also considering the type of operation, e.g stage length of what 3 and 1/2 hour per cycle? the maintenance requirements slightly differe from your usual long hauler..
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MB
Sure it has to undergo lots of maintenance but at these operating conditions it's no wonders .. also considering the type of operation, e.g stage length of what 3 and 1/2 hour per cycle? the maintenance requirements slightly differe from your usual long hauler..
Cheers
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Well, at the end of the day, it flies twice as fast as anything else, it's glamourous and good for BA's image, it makes money, it looks like the mutt's nuts, really pisses off those nimbies trying to close Heathrow down, and the Americans don't have any. Can't wait til it flies again! 
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Ladies and gents
I believe that the requirement to have 3 a/c serviceable before a daily scheduled service could begin was at the request of the CAA.
1 for the service, 1 standby, and the other to cover for maintenance.
I think the 4th a/c is being modded now.... and the rest? that depends on future traffic.
Also FWIW plans in hand for the installation of 21st century supersonic vacuum bogs.
I believe that the requirement to have 3 a/c serviceable before a daily scheduled service could begin was at the request of the CAA.
1 for the service, 1 standby, and the other to cover for maintenance.
I think the 4th a/c is being modded now.... and the rest? that depends on future traffic.
Also FWIW plans in hand for the installation of 21st century supersonic vacuum bogs.
Controversial, moi?
CRP%
So because you are unable/unwilling to back up your assertions you resort to childish accusations.
Frankly you sound like someone with a personal axe to grind, for whatever reason, and in these difficult times I find it disappointing that you are trying to harm the company that gives you a good living.
It is easy to make statements behind the cloak of anonymity especially when you have no facts with which to justify your claims.
You do yourself little credit either as a person or a pilot.
So because you are unable/unwilling to back up your assertions you resort to childish accusations.
Frankly you sound like someone with a personal axe to grind, for whatever reason, and in these difficult times I find it disappointing that you are trying to harm the company that gives you a good living.
It is easy to make statements behind the cloak of anonymity especially when you have no facts with which to justify your claims.
You do yourself little credit either as a person or a pilot.
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M.M. I direct you to Gas paths post, more eloquent than my original post I agree but overall that’s what I was trying to put across, issues of reliability and maintenance resulting in the need for three aircraft and if Gas Path is correct, all this at the behest of the CAA!
PS I am allowed an opinion, I am allowed to express that opinion and will continue to do so! YOU may have been brainwashed but I have not. Good night
PS I am allowed an opinion, I am allowed to express that opinion and will continue to do so! YOU may have been brainwashed but I have not. Good night
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Having flown on Concorde 35 times, I can confirm that it has statistically been more prone to technical delays - off the top of my head I can think of five technical delays of more than 30 minutes and two where the standby aircraft had to be substituted. Both times the substitutions were for fuel leaks.
BA in fact operates a scheme where if the flight is delayed more than either 90 minutes or 2 hours - can't remember which - they will refund the fare paid by passengers. Obviously, the cost of doing this is pretty high, which is why I suspect they have the backup aircraft there - just in case!
The new interiors look great - I'm looking forward to seeing the 'lightwash' in action in the not too-distant future!
BA in fact operates a scheme where if the flight is delayed more than either 90 minutes or 2 hours - can't remember which - they will refund the fare paid by passengers. Obviously, the cost of doing this is pretty high, which is why I suspect they have the backup aircraft there - just in case!
The new interiors look great - I'm looking forward to seeing the 'lightwash' in action in the not too-distant future!
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Anyone is entitled to an opinion. Just don't try to pass it off as fact if you cannot back it up.
Twotun is a current Concorde Flight Eng and I am a current Conc. pilot. Please allow for that in our posts - I am afraid that our opinions are somewhat clouded by fact.
The requirement for three aircraft is easy to explain, one in LHR, one in JFK and one spare to cover planned line maintenance. Count them - it comes to three.
As it happens, given the initial revised schedule for the BAW002 it would, in fact, be possible to to operate a daily service with two a/c, but only until the first B check.
As for your tendentious quoting of the horror comic, I would be fascinated to see some statistical back up, since I can personally vouch for more engine failures/shutdowns, hydraulic, electrics, etc probs on EACH of my three previous 'blunt' types. Guess I'm just lucky??????
I do concede that the SSC generates a higher proportion of ASRs relating to RTOs than other types, but these are generally reheat related and are, in safety terms, a non-event owing to the low speeds pertaining.
Sorry if I've spoiled a good argument with facts.
Twotun is a current Concorde Flight Eng and I am a current Conc. pilot. Please allow for that in our posts - I am afraid that our opinions are somewhat clouded by fact.
The requirement for three aircraft is easy to explain, one in LHR, one in JFK and one spare to cover planned line maintenance. Count them - it comes to three.
As it happens, given the initial revised schedule for the BAW002 it would, in fact, be possible to to operate a daily service with two a/c, but only until the first B check.
As for your tendentious quoting of the horror comic, I would be fascinated to see some statistical back up, since I can personally vouch for more engine failures/shutdowns, hydraulic, electrics, etc probs on EACH of my three previous 'blunt' types. Guess I'm just lucky??????
I do concede that the SSC generates a higher proportion of ASRs relating to RTOs than other types, but these are generally reheat related and are, in safety terms, a non-event owing to the low speeds pertaining.
Sorry if I've spoiled a good argument with facts.
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CRP5, you said:
<<Twotonto$$er>>
before we get into the meat of your message,you should be thankful this is an anonymous forum. I don't take too kindly to little boys with 1,000 flying hours calling me a tosser. They normally get a good spanking and get sent off to bed.
you then continued to dribble:
<<just quoting “fly wise July 1997-July 2000” for six aircraft does seem to be a disproportionate number of incidence; perhaps I should post ALL OF THESE, for your benefit.>
Not needed - I fly it, and know full well the technical problems peculiar to flying a supersonic aircraft.
<< Or maybe YOU know better than I.>>
As it happens, I do. And probably always will. And I won't confine that to just flying Concorde either.
<Since I live just 1 mile from 2 ex Concorde Captains, 2 Concorde FE’s and 1 Concorde FO, and meat with these guys I obviously know nothing.>
First thing you've said that's right.
<As a BA pilot I would NEVER fly on it and would caution my family from doing so!!>
Thankfully, I don't think you'll ever have the opportunity.
<Put up or shut up you ****, I am not so ill informed as you properly first imagined! >
Oh, I think you are. Still, you are resourceful, I'll give you that. You managed to convince someone to train you.
//endit
<<Twotonto$$er>>
before we get into the meat of your message,you should be thankful this is an anonymous forum. I don't take too kindly to little boys with 1,000 flying hours calling me a tosser. They normally get a good spanking and get sent off to bed.
you then continued to dribble:
<<just quoting “fly wise July 1997-July 2000” for six aircraft does seem to be a disproportionate number of incidence; perhaps I should post ALL OF THESE, for your benefit.>
Not needed - I fly it, and know full well the technical problems peculiar to flying a supersonic aircraft.
<< Or maybe YOU know better than I.>>
As it happens, I do. And probably always will. And I won't confine that to just flying Concorde either.
<Since I live just 1 mile from 2 ex Concorde Captains, 2 Concorde FE’s and 1 Concorde FO, and meat with these guys I obviously know nothing.>
First thing you've said that's right.
<As a BA pilot I would NEVER fly on it and would caution my family from doing so!!>
Thankfully, I don't think you'll ever have the opportunity.
<Put up or shut up you ****, I am not so ill informed as you properly first imagined! >
Oh, I think you are. Still, you are resourceful, I'll give you that. You managed to convince someone to train you.
//endit
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More good news today,
3rd BA aircraft to be modifed, G-BOAG, flew successful verification flight.
Another one for the doubters:
All 3 BA aircraft that have had the modifications done have flown successfully at the first time of asking with nearly zero techncial problems....not bad for aircraft that have been on the ground for 14-16 months!
3rd BA aircraft to be modifed, G-BOAG, flew successful verification flight.
Another one for the doubters:
All 3 BA aircraft that have had the modifications done have flown successfully at the first time of asking with nearly zero techncial problems....not bad for aircraft that have been on the ground for 14-16 months!
