Lies, Damned Lies and British European
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Lies, Damned Lies and British European
Jim French, the BE Managing Director, got some great PR in the North East when he announced that 60 ex Gill staff would be taken on for the "new" (read former Gill) routes from NCL.
So far the plan appears to be that BE will employ some cabin crew and perhaps a few people on the gorund, but no pilots and certainly not the promised 60. Would it not have been more prudent to not mention numbers and raise hopes ? Or was it just a calculated measure to generate some goodwill and publicity ?
So far the plan appears to be that BE will employ some cabin crew and perhaps a few people on the gorund, but no pilots and certainly not the promised 60. Would it not have been more prudent to not mention numbers and raise hopes ? Or was it just a calculated measure to generate some goodwill and publicity ?
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British European are interviewing at NCL for Cabin Crew next week. The numbers required were planned at :
9 X No. 1's / IFD
14X Juniors
The requirement for groundstaff would be very small, if next to nothing as they already have a handling agent at NCL and their operation is not big enough to warrant self handling.
The news about pilot recruitment however is not what I expected, nor anyone else by the sounds of it.
23 Cabin crew at the moment, however that is only enough to crew two aircraft on the current schedule. I expect that should any other routes such as ABZ be taken up in the future,then more would be required.
The only airlines to have a crew base at NCL with no Flightdeck are KLMuk and Air Scandic who nightstop crews from AMS/STN and Helsinki respectively. All others have full crew bases. Would be strange not to see BE have flightdeck base soon. Why set up a crew base with no flightdeck for 3 CDG and 5 BHD per day?
Good luck to all at NCL, for now and the future.
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9 X No. 1's / IFD
14X Juniors
The requirement for groundstaff would be very small, if next to nothing as they already have a handling agent at NCL and their operation is not big enough to warrant self handling.
The news about pilot recruitment however is not what I expected, nor anyone else by the sounds of it.
23 Cabin crew at the moment, however that is only enough to crew two aircraft on the current schedule. I expect that should any other routes such as ABZ be taken up in the future,then more would be required.
The only airlines to have a crew base at NCL with no Flightdeck are KLMuk and Air Scandic who nightstop crews from AMS/STN and Helsinki respectively. All others have full crew bases. Would be strange not to see BE have flightdeck base soon. Why set up a crew base with no flightdeck for 3 CDG and 5 BHD per day?
Good luck to all at NCL, for now and the future.
Cheers,
starship
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all takes time and training . senior managment dont share their plans with middle managment who have to implement the ideas until all announced, so patience will help. hope u all get new jobs soonest. hope never unlucky enough to be in your positions . 
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Well, I fail to see why PaulDeGearup is annoyed with BE, who have told no lies and have in actual fact gone far beyond the "extra mile" for those left in the lurch by Gill.
Just because you worked for an airline that was inconsiderate enough to go broke on you, does not give you the right to slag off another airline simply because they fail to satisfy your own personal desires. If you want to work for BE, apply in the usual way, and if (big if) you are selected, you may be able to get a slot at NCL.
Mr French told no lies, the facts are that when the NCL base is fully established and manned, it will (probably) eventually have a similar number to the one he mentioned.
You may or may not be amongst them... my guess is, with that sort of attitude, no type rating and an obvious lack of interest in moving, you won't.
Fact is, BE owe you nothing, and the title of this thread is well out of order. Try growing up a bit.
Just because you worked for an airline that was inconsiderate enough to go broke on you, does not give you the right to slag off another airline simply because they fail to satisfy your own personal desires. If you want to work for BE, apply in the usual way, and if (big if) you are selected, you may be able to get a slot at NCL.
Mr French told no lies, the facts are that when the NCL base is fully established and manned, it will (probably) eventually have a similar number to the one he mentioned.
You may or may not be amongst them... my guess is, with that sort of attitude, no type rating and an obvious lack of interest in moving, you won't.
Fact is, BE owe you nothing, and the title of this thread is well out of order. Try growing up a bit.
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PaulDeGearup I do understand your situation i.e. your hopes being raised and no immediate job.
However in this climate I think BE are wise not to rush in. Training so many new pilot and salaries to keep them, without making sure the routes are proving practical and profitable would be a mistake.
I am sure once the routes have proved successful which I am sure they will!
Newcastle could well become a big base for BE and several pilots will be needed to be based there.
Hence alot of the ex Gill pilots could well be working for BE.
So I see no lies being told by anyone!!!!
However in this climate I think BE are wise not to rush in. Training so many new pilot and salaries to keep them, without making sure the routes are proving practical and profitable would be a mistake.
I am sure once the routes have proved successful which I am sure they will!
Newcastle could well become a big base for BE and several pilots will be needed to be based there.
Hence alot of the ex Gill pilots could well be working for BE.
So I see no lies being told by anyone!!!!
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This came from a former colleague:
The British European MD was interviewed on TV and said that they would be
looking for approx. 55 staff - this to include pilots, cabin crew and
engineers - jobs would be offered 'to suitably qualified ex-Gill employees
first - but no guarantees'.
Now RD, I didnt say that, the MD did. In addition, I do know that some cabin crew have interviews, which is great;but before you get on your white charger and so heroically defend your employer, take a pace back and reread what I said; Would it not have been more prudent to not mention numbers and raise hopes ?
I wasn't slagging anyone off;now is hardly the time for anyone involved in aviation to slag any part of the industry off. However, the comment by your MD raised hopes, under the circumstances my rather "subdued" question is hardly inflammatory. Incidentally, BE were given first refusal on the already profitable routes to CDG and BHD to keep bigger fish away;their action in taking them over was hardly altruistic.
The British European MD was interviewed on TV and said that they would be
looking for approx. 55 staff - this to include pilots, cabin crew and
engineers - jobs would be offered 'to suitably qualified ex-Gill employees
first - but no guarantees'.
Now RD, I didnt say that, the MD did. In addition, I do know that some cabin crew have interviews, which is great;but before you get on your white charger and so heroically defend your employer, take a pace back and reread what I said; Would it not have been more prudent to not mention numbers and raise hopes ?
I wasn't slagging anyone off;now is hardly the time for anyone involved in aviation to slag any part of the industry off. However, the comment by your MD raised hopes, under the circumstances my rather "subdued" question is hardly inflammatory. Incidentally, BE were given first refusal on the already profitable routes to CDG and BHD to keep bigger fish away;their action in taking them over was hardly altruistic.
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PaulDeGearup, your quote:
PDG, and others,please note the words approximate and no guarantees.
BE has just jumped in where Gill has left off.
Maybe at the moment BE doesn't need any extra flightdeck-crew and can handle it with there own crews?! (as if
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looking for approx. 55 staff ..... 'to suitably qualified ex-Gill employees
first - but no guarantees
first - but no guarantees
BE has just jumped in where Gill has left off.
Maybe at the moment BE doesn't need any extra flightdeck-crew and can handle it with there own crews?! (as if
)
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PaulDeGearup
>> I wasn't slagging anyone off <<
Try reading the title you gave the thread!!
>> This came from a former colleague:
The British European MD was interviewed on TV and said that they would be
looking for approx. 55 staff - this to include pilots, cabin crew and
engineers - jobs would be offered 'to suitably qualified ex-Gill employees
first - but no guarantees'.
Now RD, I didnt say that, the MD did. <<
Er, no, your mate did. Show me that statement, in writing, from Mr French, and I will take some notice of it.
>> jobs would be offered 'to suitably qualified ex-Gill employees
first - but no guarantees'. <<
It means exactly what it says, and is not misleading in any way. Also, bear in mind that jobs will be offered to displaced/redundant crews from BE first.
The only hopes raised where those of people who didn't bother to listen to what was (apparently) said. Remember, "no guarantees".
Nonsense. We were the first out of the gate on the BHD (others were interested in operating, anyone with an aircraft and an AOC could have operated it). No-one "gave" it us. We got the CDG because we obtained agreement from Air France (for various reasons). There were no "bigger" fish. Try checking your facts.
>> I wasn't slagging anyone off <<
Try reading the title you gave the thread!!
>> This came from a former colleague:
The British European MD was interviewed on TV and said that they would be
looking for approx. 55 staff - this to include pilots, cabin crew and
engineers - jobs would be offered 'to suitably qualified ex-Gill employees
first - but no guarantees'.
Now RD, I didnt say that, the MD did. <<
Er, no, your mate did. Show me that statement, in writing, from Mr French, and I will take some notice of it.
>> jobs would be offered 'to suitably qualified ex-Gill employees
first - but no guarantees'. <<
It means exactly what it says, and is not misleading in any way. Also, bear in mind that jobs will be offered to displaced/redundant crews from BE first.
The only hopes raised where those of people who didn't bother to listen to what was (apparently) said. Remember, "no guarantees".
Incidentally, BE were given first refusal on the already profitable routes to CDG and BHD to keep bigger fish away;their action in taking them over was hardly altruistic.
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So what is exactly happening, will there be interviews for ex-Gill staff or not? I did not see the report on television but I know of people who are hoping for some jobs with BE. If there are interviews next week what date please?
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BE seem to have been on the recieving end of too much negative criticism recently especially where ex-Gill people are concerned. They're not obligated to employ ex-Gill staff just because they happen to be there! Can anyone shed any more light on the BE NCL-LCY route rumours?
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So in other words there are no BE interviews in Newcastle next week? Is that correct, or am I picking this up all wrong. From the posts above and the local teletext, there was a definate mention of ex Gill staff having the opportunity to apply for some of the new posts being created.
What a waste of North East talent and I know of many European staff with languages, classed as No1s, over 43, but can still work and need the jobs!
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What a waste of North East talent and I know of many European staff with languages, classed as No1s, over 43, but can still work and need the jobs!
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BRITISH EUROPEAN are interviewing THU/FRI this week, for CABIN CREW ONLY.
Approx 20 attending each day, required number at this stage was planned at mid twenties.
No GO-FLY interviews, operated by STN crews and is not a nightstopping aircraft (first movement at NCL is an inbound at 0730 back out at 0800).
cheers,
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Approx 20 attending each day, required number at this stage was planned at mid twenties.
No GO-FLY interviews, operated by STN crews and is not a nightstopping aircraft (first movement at NCL is an inbound at 0730 back out at 0800).
cheers,
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Yes there are interviews, for the BHD and CDG services- just no LCY, that's all.
It may be a waste of north-east talent, but then we have plenty of talent of our own. Sadly, when airlines go broke, people lose out.
I hope you have all applied to BE regardless...
Yes there are interviews, for the BHD and CDG services- just no LCY, that's all.
It may be a waste of north-east talent, but then we have plenty of talent of our own. Sadly, when airlines go broke, people lose out.
I hope you have all applied to BE regardless...