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topman999 said Reputable prospective employers are not interested in self funded type ratings at all. Spend at your peril
B737NG said DO NOT PAY FOR THE RATING. CAREFUL that is often a high risk. Be warned and alerted!
I paid for my own 767 rating and secured a tenfold rise in salary compared to my turboprop job when I joined a reputable employer a month later.
That employer gave me the time I needed on type to then move to my current job where I was paid to obtain a 747 rating.
I agree a 744 might not be the best choice of first jet but don't dismiss the value in paying for your own ratings.
B737NG said DO NOT PAY FOR THE RATING. CAREFUL that is often a high risk. Be warned and alerted!
I paid for my own 767 rating and secured a tenfold rise in salary compared to my turboprop job when I joined a reputable employer a month later.
That employer gave me the time I needed on type to then move to my current job where I was paid to obtain a 747 rating.
I agree a 744 might not be the best choice of first jet but don't dismiss the value in paying for your own ratings.
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Parc Website
http://www.parc-group.com/aviation/FlightcrewJobs.asp
It is Cargolux who needs pilots - cost of rating is 32.000 Euro
It is Cargolux who needs pilots - cost of rating is 32.000 Euro
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I paid for my 747 rating aswell. It was for a -200 and only cost 7500 euro mind you, not 32,000. It got my ass out of turboprops (after 5000hrs) and onto a serious jet. Now my career prospects and salary have increased substansially. I will recoup the 7500 euro after my third month online is over (difference in pay as to my previous turbo prop job), HOWEVER, I cannot condone paying 32,000euro. That is insane. The rating can be done for under 15,000USD. How much does a Cargolux FO make? Surley not 64,000 euro a year as a new hire. So for the first 6 months are you working for free? Given I don;t know the deal being offered, but if they aren't paying over 100,000 euro then the cost is extreme. If they are paying over 100,000 euro then maybe....
I was messed around by Cargolux through Parc about 2 years ago.
Cargolux needed more pilots, I applied direct and was interviewed along with several of my colleagues - all of us with 747-400 ratings. We all failed the initial aptitude tests. I was than offered work with Cargolux through Parc on what was a reasonable contract despite having failed their initial selection. I accepted the offer and then went through several months of being messed about with different start dates and reducing renumeration. Eventually, I told them to forget it.
Cargolux through Parc - wouldn't touch it, especially if you're paying for your own rating.
Cargolux needed more pilots, I applied direct and was interviewed along with several of my colleagues - all of us with 747-400 ratings. We all failed the initial aptitude tests. I was than offered work with Cargolux through Parc on what was a reasonable contract despite having failed their initial selection. I accepted the offer and then went through several months of being messed about with different start dates and reducing renumeration. Eventually, I told them to forget it.
Cargolux through Parc - wouldn't touch it, especially if you're paying for your own rating.
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32000 is RIDICULOUS, with the pay they are offering you are likely to break even in 1 year !!!!
Mind you after this year your contract ends and you will be on the street.... broke!
Mind you after this year your contract ends and you will be on the street.... broke!
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Gave SS $10,000 in cash and I'm still waiting for a training date?
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Unfortunate that this is Cargolux, from my very limited dealings with them, Cargolux seemed like a great company. Now, with schemes like this, they seem like the "typical" ACMI operator.
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Captain America (SS as some of you know him) is at it again and is "supposedly" starting an operation with Canadian registered aircraft (from Spitfires to Concordes) in the Philippines!
Send your resume to SS or his partner in crime (SM - ex-Emery) to: [email protected]
I say again - send your resumes and no deposits!
Once bitten - twice shy!
Happy landings............
Send your resume to SS or his partner in crime (SM - ex-Emery) to: [email protected]
I say again - send your resumes and no deposits!
Once bitten - twice shy!
Happy landings............
Captain America still claiming to be associated with ERDO. Strange they've never heard of him. Only operation they have in the Philippines is the Noah's Ark orphanage. I'll say this for him, when he fabricates a tale, he not only sticks to it but continues to embellish it. 
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blueboy79,
don't do it, with 280hrs total time you could be the red baron but are not walking staight onto a 747 to get paid.
These companies see the likes of you and pull your pants down !! we have all been there and it seems like for ever but keep firing c.v's and knocking on doors and you will be suprised how one week 'nothing happening' and the next you have a job, but you have to be realistic,you work to get paid not the other way around, you have spent enough getting where your at - just wait, everyone wants to fly a big shiney jet, but when things go wrong they go wrong very very fast, dont mean to be pessimistic just realistic.
don't do it, with 280hrs total time you could be the red baron but are not walking staight onto a 747 to get paid.
These companies see the likes of you and pull your pants down !! we have all been there and it seems like for ever but keep firing c.v's and knocking on doors and you will be suprised how one week 'nothing happening' and the next you have a job, but you have to be realistic,you work to get paid not the other way around, you have spent enough getting where your at - just wait, everyone wants to fly a big shiney jet, but when things go wrong they go wrong very very fast, dont mean to be pessimistic just realistic.
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Sorry to say, but you will NOT get 75hrs/month, when you fly for Cargolux. On average, you'll get 50hrs/month. PARC is not telling entirely the truth, whether intentionally, or lack of knowledge.
If it was a scheduled pax Airline, then 75 hours would be possible, but not in a freighter outfit. You will spend quite a bit time in Hotels, if you're unlucky one month, you will fly 25-30hrs, while being on the road for 3 weeks.
Frankly, I'm dissapointed, that Cargolux is choosing to go this path...very dissapointed...used to be a good Airline...what a shame.
If it was a scheduled pax Airline, then 75 hours would be possible, but not in a freighter outfit. You will spend quite a bit time in Hotels, if you're unlucky one month, you will fly 25-30hrs, while being on the road for 3 weeks.
Frankly, I'm dissapointed, that Cargolux is choosing to go this path...very dissapointed...used to be a good Airline...what a shame.
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Just did a 744 type rating on my FAA ATP at NATCO and it cost less than $13,000. Boeing (Seattle) charge a little more.
Course was 3 weeks and this included accomodation as well.
Trouble is without the magic 500 hours experience, this is of little use to me right now!
I wonder if Cargolux accepts the FAA type rating and no time?
Course was 3 weeks and this included accomodation as well.
Trouble is without the magic 500 hours experience, this is of little use to me right now!
I wonder if Cargolux accepts the FAA type rating and no time?
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I am amazed and dissapointed that a airline such as Cargolux would adopt this tactic and more amazed that there are enough plonkers with cash on the hip, desperate enough to go along with it. The world has gone truly mad, bloody bonkers!
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Flite idol,
you speak my mind - agree with you entirely. Sad that Cargolux adopts this kind of "exploitation", even more sad, that there are some stupid (sorry, no offense, but I just can't find a more accurate term for this, but stupid) wannabes with so little self confidence who go for it...
you speak my mind - agree with you entirely. Sad that Cargolux adopts this kind of "exploitation", even more sad, that there are some stupid (sorry, no offense, but I just can't find a more accurate term for this, but stupid) wannabes with so little self confidence who go for it...
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Deals like this might or might not work out for the individual. If it means that you are able to get a steady job after the 12 months is over it was a good investment I guess. If not, you got a free type rating but had to work for free for a year. I can understand why someone would be tempted, especially when jobs are scarce.
The danger is that this sets the tone for the future hiring process. Why would a company pay for a type rating when they can sell them. Perhaps not so easy to get a job then without a type rating and not able/willing to pay for one. In my humble opinion it is the sign of times and it will take many years to rectify. The companies are using the industry downturn to make changes that drastically reduces the ability to enter the market as a newbi.
Too bad Cargolux pilots does not have /are not allowed to have a real union that can fight this issue. If it is allowed to continue it will drastically changes the conditions for new hires. Time to fight for the future colleagues!
The danger is that this sets the tone for the future hiring process. Why would a company pay for a type rating when they can sell them. Perhaps not so easy to get a job then without a type rating and not able/willing to pay for one. In my humble opinion it is the sign of times and it will take many years to rectify. The companies are using the industry downturn to make changes that drastically reduces the ability to enter the market as a newbi.
Too bad Cargolux pilots does not have /are not allowed to have a real union that can fight this issue. If it is allowed to continue it will drastically changes the conditions for new hires. Time to fight for the future colleagues!
An opprtunity from a caring employer, or a cynical way to increase revenue? We will only know when the first pilot's year contract is close to renewal. Will Cargolux renew or take on a new batch of hopefuls? I suspect the latter.
And those of you who have taken up this 'opportunity', ask yourself how useful low hours, a widebody rating, 500 hours on type with minimal handling will be. The 744 is mostly operated by the majors who have their own high entry criteria and prefer to do their own training anyway.
And those of you who have taken up this 'opportunity', ask yourself how useful low hours, a widebody rating, 500 hours on type with minimal handling will be. The 744 is mostly operated by the majors who have their own high entry criteria and prefer to do their own training anyway.
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The 744 is mostly operated by the majors who have their own high entry criteria and prefer to do their own training anyway.
You are going nowhere with that.
Only minor- regionals airlines might be impressed and offer you an ATR or 737 right seat.
Do that if you have NOTHING to loose.
Perhaps I'm wrong. I know one airline where you might get 767 LEFT seat after that: Blue Panorama, Roma Italia
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