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Old 5th Dec 2001, 14:16
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If aviation would not have enough trouble right now. That`s just what we need....

FRENCH STRIKE
Valid from 05 Dec 2001 to 05 Dec 2001 (released 05 Dec 2001 at 06:54:04)

FRENCH ATS STRIKE ON DECEMBER 05/06/07TH 2001
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FROM WEDNESDAY DECEMBER 5TH BEGINNING OF NIGHT DUTY (1800 UTC)
UNTIL FRIDAY DECEMBER 7TH END OF NIGHT DUTY (0545 UTC), THERE IS
A HIGH PROBABILITY THAT FRENCH AIR TRAFFIC SERVICES WILL STRIKE.
ACCORDING TO THE FRENCH LAW, THERE WILL BE A MINIMUM SERVICE
PROVIDED.
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THAT MEANS THAT FLIGHTS INBOUND / OUTBOUND FRENCH AIRPORTS WILL
ONLY BE PERMITTED IF DESIGNATED BY FRENCH DGAC. ONLY SOME AIRPORTS
WILL BE ACCESSIBLE (AS PER NOTAM TO BE ISSUED BY THE END OF THE
DAY), THESE MAY NOT BE PLANNED AS ALTERNATES BY FLIGHTS NOT
DESIGNATED IN THE SPECIAL LIST. ALL FPLS / RPLS FOR FLIGHTS NOT
PERMITED SHALL BE CANCELLED BY THE AO.
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A MINIMUM NUMBER OF SECTORS WILL BE STAFFED FOR HANDLING
OVERFLYING
TRAFFIC (APPROXIMATELY 50 PER CENT OF THE USUAL CAPACITY).
AIRCRAFT OPERATORS SHOULD REFER TO NOTAM A3108 ISSUED 041339
LFFAYNYX QUOTED BELOW.
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NNNNZCZC 1346
GG LFFAZDZX 041339 LFFAYNYX (A3108/01A02 NOTAMN
Q)LFXX/QXXXX/IV/NBO/E /000/999/4504N00053E526
A)LFMM LFFF LFEE LFRR LFBB B)0112051800 C)0112070545
E)BECAUSE 0F A STRIKE C0NCERNING THE CIVIL AVIATION SERVICES,
PERTURBATIONS WILL AFFECT ATS, AIS AND COM SERVICES IN FRANCE.
.
1-AER0MEDICAL EVACUATION FLIGHTS, SAR MISSIONS, GOVERNMENTAL
*
FLIGHTS AND NATIONAL DEFENCE FLIGHTS WILL BE PROVIDED IN ANY
CASE.
.
2-SPECIAL PROVISIONS WILL BE REQUIRED FOR OUTBOUND AND INB0UND
FLIGHTS IN THE FRENCH AIRSPACE:
-THUS IN APPLICATION 0F LEGAL MEASURES A MINIMUM SERVICE WILL
ENABLE SOME FLIGHTS ESPECIALLY SPECIFLED TO OPERATE 0N CERTAIN
FRENCH AER0DROMES.
.
C0NSEOUENTLY. THE USERS MUST SYSTEMATICALLY CANCEL ALL PLN, RPL OR
FPL FOR FLIGHTS WHICH HAVE NOT BEEN ESPECIALLY SPECIFIED FOR
DEPARTURE OR ARRIVAL AT THESE AERODR0MES.
-IFR TAKE-OFFS AND LANDINGS 0N FRENCH AERODR0MES WILL 0NLY BE
AUTHORISED FOR THE FLIGHTS ESPECIALLY SPECIFIED.
.
3-0VERFLYLNG WILL BE SUBJECT T0 APPR0PRIATE ATFM MEASURES
ACC0RDING
TO USUAL PR0CEDURES.
.
4-THE FOLL0WING AERODROMES WILL ONLY BE PLANNED AND USED AS
ALTERNATE AERODROMES:
LFPG, LFPO, LFRG, LFRS, LFLC, LFLL, LFML, LFMN, LFBO, LFBD,
LFBI,
LFBL, LFSB, LFSB, LFKJ, LFKJ, LFKB, LFKC.
.
5-ON THE OTHER AERODROMES, ATS SERVICES MAY NOT BE PROVIDED. IN
THIS CASE, THE AIRSPACES CONTROLLED BY THESE SERVICES DO NOT
EXIST ANYMORE.
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6-THE ACCESS OF VFR FLIGHTS TO CLASS-D AIRSPACES MAY BE SUBJECT TO
RESTRICTIONS OR INTERDICTIONS.
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7-OPERATORS WILL OBTAIN USEFUL INFORMATION FROM THE DEPARTURE
AERODROME FMP OR CFMU. IN ADDITION, OPERATORS MAY CONTACT THE
ATC
*
OPERATIONAL CELL ON PHONE NUMBER: +33 1 69 57 73 00.
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FMD BRUSSELS ON BEHALF OF SCTA - FRANCE
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Old 5th Dec 2001, 15:36
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Typical -

The industry is suffering badly, jobs are going left right and centre and the bloody French idiots pull a strike that affects us all !!!

Muppets !
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yes... I am french pilot, and I hate those f****g ATC people (do you know that by putting themselves on strike 10 years ago they got the equivalence of University degrees, exams that people need years of painful work to get through th enormal system)
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Well folks

Being smart, sharp and customer friendly has never been and will never be a priviledge for most of the French ATC. But what do you expect from the so called "grand nation" who is still struggling to introduce standard english ATC-language within their airspace and on the airports for safety reasons ?Hopefully, those responsible arrogant loosers one day will pay for all the mess.

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Old 5th Dec 2001, 16:25
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What more can you say. They're FRENCH!!!!
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Old 5th Dec 2001, 16:30
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And if a certain President (sorry, P.M.) has his way, we'll be sharing a single currency with them. Gets off soapbox.
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Hey hey hey... Whats up with all these negative ways.

Take a flight from LEMG (Malaga, Spain) to EFHK (Helsinki, Finland). Normally about 4 hours in MD11. Now you go either directly East and through Italian airspace and then up through Swiss and Austrian or Eastern European airspace. Alternatively you could route West over Portugal and England then Dutch and so on. Either way this adds minimum of an hour to the flight.

I have lost count on how many times Paris ATC has been on strike. No symphaty what so ever towards those dorks. Nice cozy Government job and so on.
Old Jaques should do what Ronny the Raygun did in the 80's and fire the whole bunch. I am sure that there are plenty on english speaking pilots unemployed that would be willing to take a position in ATC for the time being. Put it this way, yapping in french in busy airspace would be a goner
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IF they are French Government employees then I say sue the French Government for lost revenue. Not that they would take much notice though.
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It's not as if they are any good at what they do!

If it were NATS then I could understand it but a bunch of Frog "safe job" goverment employees, expect the usual shrugs! Were allright jacque!!
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When you consider that the union CGT, I think is almost communist and the poor Frogs do not want an open sky 'cause their military would have to get their act together and so on and so on and so on well I suppose that you pilots of airlines know that the radar screens of the civil controllers do not see the mil!! The controllers are supposed to keep you on the centreline unless they coordinate specially. The whole thing is a shambols Get their act together? you are joking.
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Absolutely disgraceful!! It really pisses me off! Just inspiring the public to fly again....NOT!!!!!!
Eff Oh.

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A little french-bashing, isn'it ? personally I prefer union-bashing, or ATC bashing, which should be more relvant to the topic.

Carbonbrake and GoJetJock... the arrogant losers still build airliners, isn'it? and also choppers, and they launch rockets in space from their own territory...

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Regretably this is French bashing as they invented the problem. No French military aircraft are visible on the civil screens in France as they are deliberately suppressed. Of course they prefer their own system as it suits them - the mere fact that it does not suit anybody else is of no consequence. Just because they lose a third of their separation standards since they stick to their centrelines, just because shifts are timed not to interfere with breakfast and dinner, good grief I could go on ad infinitum
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This action is unbelieveably unsensitive and untimely . A previous post called for the firing of the strikers and I would endorse that. French ATC have screwed us around for years and deserve a dose of the reality that the rest of us live in.

Carbonbrake GoJetJock and AltSel do you think that jingoism is the solution to everything. You're way of tunnel-vision is what creates strikes like this in the first place.
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Yes and the food & wine are excellent,women attractive and feminine,cost of living reasonable(outside Paris)a thriving film industry,innovative train and car design,superb highways (at a cost).I could go on ;but ATCī!well itīs all been said.In the end just too many aircraft fighting for too little airspace in Europe,fewer for the moment of course.

But strikes of this nature P#$$ me off.
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Some people are just ignorant. I wouldn't lose my sleep over it. Leave the thread and read something else worth reading!! People sometimes have nothing to say, but they still talk rubbish.
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Well Viscount, at least two posts made some sense
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Does anyone know what the strike is all about? The media doesn't seem to be giving reasons.
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This situation is outrageous and, dare I say it, typically French. They always purport to be an integral, nay vital, member of the EU but whenever there is a problem the national interest comes before the community interest.
In the UK we now have to regulary use part of our motorway system to park lorries stranded by strikes in the French ports, they ignore EU law (they still wont accept British beef) and as for the use of English and French in ATC its simply stupid. As an aside though you have got to admire a country that has so many good points and is so pround of its national identity, (tricolour flags everywhere) and the wine and women.............
I just wish the UK government would look after our interests with as much vigour as the French.


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Does anyone have an idea of why they are striking?
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