Heathrow: Man Held Over 'Ammunition'
Who gives a ***** if he had a couple of rounds? So long as he (or an accomplice) didn't have a means of effective discharge. (Yes, yes, I know I'm exhibiting laid back characteristics not befitting one of my years & experience but WTF!)
Re "Don't lock your baggage" Totally agree with most comments. Absolute bollocks! I like my baggage LOCKED. If security wish to open it then they are more than welcome to do so - in MY presence.
And thats on just two beers!!
Re "Don't lock your baggage" Totally agree with most comments. Absolute bollocks! I like my baggage LOCKED. If security wish to open it then they are more than welcome to do so - in MY presence.
And thats on just two beers!!
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Before we get too carried away, although it is understandable given some of the pontification from certain people, has anyone considered if he could have recevied the ammunition from a third party when airside at Heathrow and then got caught in a transit check?
Yo all you pompous limeys, read about your far superior security here.
The US has long way to go and could likely learn from something your lot but I wouldn't hold your model up as some great achievement.
Must be a misunderstanding, that can't happen with UK airport security security on duty.
impossible
Oh drat, not again
still pompous?
just a few days ago
tell me again about the far superior security you have
got some work to do?
A five second search on yahoo yielded all of these plus plenty more
What the heck, as long as your reading, check this one out also.
no one is immune
The US has long way to go and could likely learn from something your lot but I wouldn't hold your model up as some great achievement.
Must be a misunderstanding, that can't happen with UK airport security security on duty.
impossible
Oh drat, not again
still pompous?
just a few days ago
tell me again about the far superior security you have
got some work to do?
A five second search on yahoo yielded all of these plus plenty more
What the heck, as long as your reading, check this one out also.
no one is immune
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That's very good West Coast.
Not all of us are Limeys!
And if you re-read all the posts, aside from one, there is no-body suggesting that UK security procedures should be adopted by one and all. The reaction is a simple one..........given what has been happening over the past couple of weeks reference security in the US. And listing incidents certainly equates the the school yard bully whining "Oh Miss, Miss..........he did it too!! Look!"
WTF do you guys always have to turn it into a competition?
Not all of us are Limeys!
And if you re-read all the posts, aside from one, there is no-body suggesting that UK security procedures should be adopted by one and all. The reaction is a simple one..........given what has been happening over the past couple of weeks reference security in the US. And listing incidents certainly equates the the school yard bully whining "Oh Miss, Miss..........he did it too!! Look!"
WTF do you guys always have to turn it into a competition?
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Please,Let's not all jump on the "I told you so " bandwagon. It's not going to help us as crewmembers. We all want better security both on the ground and in the air. Lets face it, the Americans are on a very steep learning curve with all this. Can we not cut them some slack? Winding each other up in NOT goiung to help our cause. Why not direct some anger to the real culprits in all of this- the terrorists that directly changed our way of travelling life as we know it?
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Excuse my lack on knowledge of guns but the thought has crossed my mind....
I know the sky marshals are going to use low velocity bullets that "damage people but not planes" rather than 'normal' ammunition, but could someone take potent ammunition on the aircraft, find the sky marshal get his gun and use ammunition which could cause problems?
I know the sky marshals are going to use low velocity bullets that "damage people but not planes" rather than 'normal' ammunition, but could someone take potent ammunition on the aircraft, find the sky marshal get his gun and use ammunition which could cause problems?
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What if the gun to fire the rounds was to be placed on board ahead of time by cleaners, catering etc.
Quite possible.
But it would be just as easy to place a loaded gun their also.
But I cannot imagine any mistake or excuse for him to have live rounds on his person.
Quite possible.
But it would be just as easy to place a loaded gun their also.
But I cannot imagine any mistake or excuse for him to have live rounds on his person.
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When he comes up before the beak, what are the chances that his defence will be "I saw them fall out of a skymarshall's pocket on the plane. I picked them up to give them back but the man rushed away saying he had another plane to catch."
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With the proviso that in this case no amount of crew checking would have picked this up, it just highlights the fact that we must ALL be on our guard ALL of the time.
Still very worrying times
Sorry to sound alarmist but remember the terrorist's credo, "We (the terrorist's) only have to get lucky once, You (the targets) have to be lucky all of the time".
Let's be careful out there!
Still very worrying times
Sorry to sound alarmist but remember the terrorist's credo, "We (the terrorist's) only have to get lucky once, You (the targets) have to be lucky all of the time".
Let's be careful out there!
Personally speaking, I dunno what all the fuss is about.
The rounds were probably a free gift which fell out of his copy of Guns n' Ammo which he bought airside.
No doubt he was taking them home to his kids as a souvenir from the USA.
Poor fellow !!!
The rounds were probably a free gift which fell out of his copy of Guns n' Ammo which he bought airside.
No doubt he was taking them home to his kids as a souvenir from the USA.
Poor fellow !!!
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I'm interested in the comments about Sanford near the beginning of this thread.
One of my colleague's mates has just been found dead of a drug overdose. He was 42 and it turned out he was a secret heroin addict.
He had travelled to Florida (Miami) on business and had returned some 12 hours before he was found dead -- sadly by his son.
The police were called. They searched his suitcase from the trip which was still packed.
In the case they found 10 stun guns (more like zappers actually) and two flick knives.
Maybe Florida has a problem with their security folks. This is not anti-U.S. rhetoric, but apparently the police were horrified when they found the weapons and were going to try and find out why this bloke had not been caught at the airport.
We may hear more about this.
One of my colleague's mates has just been found dead of a drug overdose. He was 42 and it turned out he was a secret heroin addict.
He had travelled to Florida (Miami) on business and had returned some 12 hours before he was found dead -- sadly by his son.
The police were called. They searched his suitcase from the trip which was still packed.
In the case they found 10 stun guns (more like zappers actually) and two flick knives.
Maybe Florida has a problem with their security folks. This is not anti-U.S. rhetoric, but apparently the police were horrified when they found the weapons and were going to try and find out why this bloke had not been caught at the airport.
We may hear more about this.
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It is now well over 2 years since 911. The USA has had plenty time enough to get its airport security in order and get up with the "learning curve". I would suggest with reference to the learning "curve" the USA is still below transistion altitude whilst the "curve" is up at about FL350.
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The experience in Sanford was mirrored in LAX for European departures last Thursday. In this instance the crew suitcases were required to be unlocked and left with baggage security screening personnel.
When questioned about the "did you leave this suitcase unattended etc type concerns" cabin crew were told that if they were refusing to have bags security checked Homeland security would be called.
The potential for some potential terrorist to exploit the situation in which bags are constantly left unlocked is surely something which must be of concern.
When questioned about the "did you leave this suitcase unattended etc type concerns" cabin crew were told that if they were refusing to have bags security checked Homeland security would be called.
The potential for some potential terrorist to exploit the situation in which bags are constantly left unlocked is surely something which must be of concern.
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Having sat down and thought about the problems of security at places like Dulles, I can only conclude that it must be a nightmare. As I recall it, at Dulles, departing passengers and arriving passengers are in close proximity to each other in the terminal. The terminal used by Virgin is the big long one a bus ride away from security, joined by an escalator and with free access from, I believe to a smaller terminal used by smaller aircraft . This means for example someone arriving from some little place in the middle of nowhere with 1 plane a day and potentially less of a security consious environment could easily meet someone due to depart somewhere else and pass 'what ever' to them. Taking it further, the 'what ever' could, I guess have come from one side of the US to the other, being handed from bad guy to bad guy and having been through just one sleepy xray machine in hicksville before . . . Well, lets not go there.
What is the answer ?
How about xray machines on each gate ?
How about changing the regime in which departing and arriving passengers can mingle in the terminal?
I bet these would be too expensive, so instead lets bluster about, throwing our weight around hasseling everyone else so the public feels something is being done.
What is the answer ?
How about xray machines on each gate ?
How about changing the regime in which departing and arriving passengers can mingle in the terminal?
I bet these would be too expensive, so instead lets bluster about, throwing our weight around hasseling everyone else so the public feels something is being done.
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I don't know where you hail from but its the double standard some of the limeys on this board use that requires me to remind them they are no better. I think one of the links doesn't work and thats a shame becuase its to a breach that took place just this month. It shows Brit security isn't very good. Do you see any of that here, nope its all about the Americans. In my couple of years here I have seen a trend in which the limeys love to shovel it out but have a hard time taking it themselves. Be it politics(start a thread about NI and see) social issues or anything else. I guess its easier to find the worst in others rather than looking to yourself. I wonder if any of these recent Brit breaches even made PPRUNE?
I don't know where you hail from but its the double standard some of the limeys on this board use that requires me to remind them they are no better. I think one of the links doesn't work and thats a shame becuase its to a breach that took place just this month. It shows Brit security isn't very good. Do you see any of that here, nope its all about the Americans. In my couple of years here I have seen a trend in which the limeys love to shovel it out but have a hard time taking it themselves. Be it politics(start a thread about NI and see) social issues or anything else. I guess its easier to find the worst in others rather than looking to yourself. I wonder if any of these recent Brit breaches even made PPRUNE?