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Old 19th Dec 2003, 02:06
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FDX MD-10 fire in MEM

Apparently an engine fire after landing - crew got out with minor injuries, it is reported.

I saw the smoke - it looked bad. I'll update ASAP.
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Apparently a gear problem - jet's a total loss, by the pictures.
Oh dear.
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Let me guess, the injuries were from the escape rope. . . the same type that cut up the fingers of the crew up in Newburgh/Stewart.

I hope everything turns out okay.

Where were they flying in from? I am certain that they did a good job of getting the plane on the ground safely.

Wishing the crew the best,

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Fed Ex Plane Crashes In Memphis
12/18/2003 1:17:38 PM

(Memphis, Tennessee-AP) -- Nobody's been seriously hurt, after a FedEx cargo jet caught fire today while landing at the airport in Memphis, Tennessee.

The plane had just flown from Oakland, California -- reportedly carrying four FedEx employees. They made it safely off the plane, and the fire was put out.

It's not clear what caused the fire, or whether the cargo was damaged. But television images from the scene show one entire side of the plane is charred or blackened from the smoke and fire.

An FAA spokeswoman says the plane veered off the runway after landing.
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According to a source on Airliners.net, the aircraft was N364FE.

This is almost certainly the oldest '10 in commercial service, being No4 off the Long Beach Line. It was also UAL's first, having been delivered to the airline in Jan '71 as N1801U. It was sold to Fed Ex in 1998.
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MD-10 inbound from Oakland. Crew of 2 + 5 jumpseaters.

Some dramatic footage on local TV of the crew going down the front ropes. One guy either jumped or slipped and went down in a free-fall. Only minor injuries.

I'm in the MEM hub and the information is sketchy - Landing on 36R, departed pavement to the east, collapsed a gear and nacelle, massive fire in wing root that consumed ~60% of right fuselage skin.
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Thankfully, the crew and riders walked away from yet another FedEx aircraft mishap. This is FedEx's fourth widebody hull loss since 1966 (two MD-11's, a DC-10 and this MD-10). The feds already had FedEx on double secret probation after several other incidents and a 727 crash in TLH last year.

FedEx has never had a fatality on their mainline, however several Cessna Caravan pilots have been lost over the past few years.

Here's a page with links to some video of the evacuation:

http://www.wreg.com/Global/story.asp...4&nav=3HvDJl1z

The MD-10 has a slide but it may not have been usable due to the right bank angle of the wreckage (or high winds as one of the TV news crew speculated).
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Glad to see the crew are all out.

Off of the important topic, take a look at the video, about 3.5 minutes in it seems the amature video is shot off of a monitor. A lot of the apparent movement is from the camera filming the monitor not the camera filming events. You can see the monitor frame occasionally, sony badge I think.

A little strange. It hardly seems necessary to add drama to these scenes through extra movement and yet it seems surprising the news crew could not use the tape direct some how.
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>>A little strange. It hardly seems necessary to add drama to these scenes through extra movement and yet it seems surprising the news crew could not use the tape direct some how.<<

It looks to me like a copy done in the field by the news crew, probably not ideal dubbing equipment for the different video formats.
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KMEM 181953Z 30022G26KT 10SM FEW050 11/M01 A3010 RMK AO2 PK WND
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WND 32028/1829 (SPECI)
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31029/1723 SLP191 10111 20044 T01000000 50004=
KMEM 181653Z 29018G24KT 10SM FEW040 10/00 A3010 RMK AO2 PK WND
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NTSB LAUNCHES TEAM TO INVESTIGATE
FEDEX ACCIDENT IN MEMPHIS

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WASHINGTON, D.C. - The National Transportation Safety Board
has launched a team of investigators to begin an inquiry
into the accident today involving a FedEx widebody cargo
jetliner in Memphis, Tennessee.

Preliminary information is that at approximately 12:30
p.m. Central Standard Time, the right main landing gear of
the FedEx MD-10-10 (N364FE) collapsed on landing on runway
36R at the Memphis airport. The aircraft, which was
arriving after a flight from Oakland, California, came to
rest and suffered extensive fire damage. All seven
crewmembers aboard the aircraft escaped without serious
injury. There were no reported hazardous materials on the
plane.
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What a relief it wasn't a passenger version of this aircraft! Pleased to hear all escaped ok.

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A news station reported that the high winds in Memphis made at least one escape chute unuseable. How does certification for a cargo or passenger aircraft assume that winds won't be a factor? How can the "authorities" certify an aircraft for a situation where only half of the available emer exits are useable-and this does not include a fire on the downwind side. We could turn a smoking brake or engine downwind, if we have a chance before we stop and consider an evacuation. In FAA-approved simulator training, we are not allowed to taxi around for a while before we practice the evacuation procedures for over a hundred passengers.

A different (lady) Fedex pilot, who is married to one of our pilots, had a brother whose aircraft collided at night with an "unknown" object not far north of Mobile Airport in Alabama not long ago. I don't remember if he was in a Caravan or solo in a recip plane, but the ATC radar tapes seem to have been confiscated after the tragedy, based on what I remember from $^#\/#'s remarks.

Anyway, the information surrounding the accident is confidential. Either a 'remotely piloted vehicle' or some other classified object seems to have been involved.

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>>A different (lady) Fedex pilot, who is married to one of our pilots, had a brother whose aircraft collided at night with an "unknown" object not far north of Mobile Airport in Alabama not long ago. I don't remember if he was in a Caravan or solo in a recip plane, but the ATC radar tapes seem to have been confiscated after the tragedy, based on what I remember from $^#\/#'s remarks.<<


Would this the be the accident?
_________________________________________

NTSB Identification: ATL03FA008
Nonscheduled 14 CFR Part 135: Air Taxi & Commuter
Accident occurred Wednesday, October 23, 2002 in Spanish Fort, AL
Aircraft: Cessna 208B, registration: N76U
Injuries: 1 Fatal.

This is preliminary information, subject to change, and may contain errors. Any errors in this report will be corrected when the final report has been completed.

On October 23, 2002, at 1944, central daylight time, a Cessna 208B, N76U, operated by Mid Atlantic Freight, Inc. collided with water in the Big Bateau Bay in Spanish Fort, Alabama, shortly after takeoff from the Mobile Downtown Airport, in Mobile, Alabama. The airplane was operated under the provisions of Title 14 CFR Part 135, and instrument flight rules. Instrument meteorological conditions prevailed and an IFR flight plan was filed. The commercial pilot sustained fatal injuries and the airplane was destroyed. The flight was originating at the time of the accident.

According to Air Traffic Controllers at the Mobile Regional Airport, the airplane had climbed to 3,000 feet and was given a traffic advisory. Shortly after that the airplane was lost on their radar, and all attempts to contact the pilot by radio were unsuccessful.

Examination of the wreckage on scene, found it scattered over an area of about 200 yards. Recovery of the airplane required the use of air boats and a barge. The recovered wreckage was transported to Griffin, Georgia for further examination.

____________________________________

A local newspaper article is here:

http://www.atlantaairsalvage.com/Ces...t.%202002.html

___________________________________

FedEx's tragic loss of crewmembers in Caravans is listed here along with the other mishaps:

http://aviation-safety.net/database/...datekey&page=1
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Here's the day after article from the MEM Commerical Appeal newspaper:

Engine explodes as FedEx jet lands

Blazing arrival brings questions [sic]

By Sherri Drake

December 19, 2003

A blazing FedEx cargo plane rumbled down an airport runway Thursday, sending quivers through nearby buildings.

Two pilots and five passengers bolted to safety through the front windows of the fiery plane.

Hours later, the plane's charred carcass was still drawing onlookers and acrid smoke drifted through the air.

One of the plane's three engines apparently exploded sometime between when it landed and stopped, airport officials said Thursday.

On board the flight from Oakland, Calif., were two FedEx pilots and five other pilots, who were traveling as jump seat passengers. FedEx wouldn't identify those on board.

Witnesses from nearby businesses said they heard two loud booms and felt a quake in the walls as the plane landed.

"It sounded like a dadgum bomb went off," said Mike Williams, manager of Johnson Products on Rudder Road.

When Lisa Bell and Laurie Moultrie felt the sudden clap, they ran from their buildings toward the runway, they said.

"You could see fireballs," said Bell, who works at Memphis Sign Erectors.

Orange flames were all that was visible through the billowing clouds of smoke.

"You couldn't see nothing of the plane. It was just big, black smoke," said Ronnie Hopper, who looked on with co-workers from Jamison Steel Rule Die.

"We thought, 'Man, they're dead.' "

But very quickly, through the thick smoke, passengers appeared through the front windows and shimmied down cords on the plane's nose.

"It's kinda funny, but they were throwing their stuff out and then coming out. It was like luggage and a box and then the guys," Hopper said.

Tower officials weren't aware of any problems on board when the plane made a by-the-book landing, they said.

"There was no advance warning," said Larry Cox, president and CEO of the airport authority. "The crew did not contact the tower," he said. "Normally, if a crew has a cautionary landing, they'll call ahead so we can have the Fire Department stand by."

As soon as the plane landed, however, tower officials saw a small fire on the right side landing gear.

The plane veered down the runway and the landing gear came off, Cox said.

Aviation officials were trying to find the fire's cause Thursday. Faulty landing gear, problems in the cargo bay or in the plane's engine were among the possibilities.

The plane's right wing and engine ripped from the body of the plane and were hanging by a thread.

Nearly 100 Memphis firefighters arrived at the scene around 12:30 p.m. Thursday. They blanketed the soot-covered MD-10 with foam as it rested on its right side across the runway.

The MD-10, similar to a DC-10, has 16,000 cubic feet in available cargo space and as much capacity as four 40-foot railroad freight cars.

It took firefighters nearly an hour to extinguish the fire, officials said.

Three of the seven passengers were taken to the Regional Medical Center at Memphis for evaluation, said FedEx spokesman Pam Roberson.

The four others were taken to Methodist Healthcare-South.

At The Med, paramedics unloaded three pilots around 2 p.m.

A gray FedEx blanket was wrapped around one pilot while another pilot's face and body were covered with a yellow firefighter's jacket.

"No one was seriously injured and under their protest they were brought to the hospital as a precaution," Roberson said.

Many travelers in the terminals of the Memphis International Airport scurried about as usual, unaware of the disaster so close by.

"I didn't see anything, no rescue vehicles or anything. Seemed as normal as could be," said Jim Porter, who'd just arrived from Melbourne, Fla.

The landing caused no cancellations, diversions or disruption in air traffic, said the airport authority's Cox.

The troubled landing did close one of the airport's four runways. And officials closed a second runway so firefighters could reach the burning plane, he said.

The plane could stay on the runway for up to 24 hours, if investigators need that much time, Cox said. It was still there Thursday night.

The damage from the landing was the most substantial he's seen in his 30 years at the airport, Cox said.

Airport officials worked to reopen the center runway late Thursday.

The FBI is making a routine check to see if foul play was involved, Cox said.

If foul play is ruled out, the National Transportation Safety Board will be responsible for determining causes.

FedEx officials Thursday started notifying customers whose packages were on the plane. Most of the cargo was in containers, so officials are assuming the packages are in decent shape.

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/...517032,00.html
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Just seen the video of the evacuation. Why were "items" being despatched out of the windows in between crew members? Surely getting out of a burning airplane and surviving is far more important than saving your flightbag/leather jacket/personal effects. Maybe it was the catering? Sorry, bit of an underhand comment. Glad those seven on board got out ok and wish them a speedy recovery.
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Just seen the video of the evacuation. Why were "items" being despatched out of the windows in between crew members? Surely getting out of a burning airplane and surviving is far more important than saving your flightbag/leather jacket/personal effects. Maybe it was the catering? Sorry, bit of an underhand comment. Glad those seven on board got out ok and wish them a speedy recovery.
It looked to me to be a personal decision, so you will have to ask the egressors on what basis they made those choices.

I hestitate to second guess those individual decisions today.
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Crews are trained to, if possible, take HAZMAT documentation during evac for fire/rescue folks. This documentation is normally kept in the cockpit. In our operation, it is just a large envelope.

Can't explain the number of cases/boxes thrown out the window.
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>>I hestitate to second guess those individual decisions today.

I agree, but the feds will dissect everything and come up with "findings".

The FedEx DC-10 crew with the cargo fire at Stewart was criticized by the NTSB for not completing lengthy smoke and fire checklists accurately and instead concentrating on getting the plane on the ground ASAP. The captain took a hit for announcing "We need to get the f**k out of here!" instead of calling for a formal recitation of the Phase One memory items on the Emergency Evacuation checklist after the aircraft came to a stop. (See: http://www.ntsb.gov/Publictn/1998/AAR9803.pdf )

Whatever their faults in the eyes of the feds, the KSWF DC-10 crew, like yesterday's KMEM MD-10 crew, earned the coveted title of "Survivors".
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Was @ MEM around 1830c yesterday. Sorry sight. actually looked pretty decent fm w. no doubt a write-off. Big ole “x” (6’/6’ at least) made of bulbs set up @ 36r tdz in case some dumbass disregards atis, no rl et al and decides to land there.

rwy surface looked fine but i'm sure more than one light got knocked out...
Had the md all lit up, waiting for the ntsb honcho from atl to show up.

Just to toss a wild theory: botched crab-landing (landing too heavy on the gear already well in years)?
Don’t know who the ‘by the book’ quote came from…probly just more journo bs.

Any dc-10 pilots out there? What would be the x-wind correction for the 31023G28/32028?
Is fedex hiring? Maybe a newbie still trying to learn the ropes?

How about a heavy heavy load (x-mas) being a factor? Doubt they were coming out of cali with full tanks, what with their prices and MEM being their hub.

Theories, theories…we’ll all hv2 wait for the ntsb slowpokes (meant good-naturedly, I know they work hard) to take their sweet time to release the report…wish they at least released the hard facts ( e.g. rt lg showing red first, green after recycle…would that warrant fire/rescue call?) as they get them.

Boy, was that video shaking. A senior citizen with extra time on his hands?
 


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