near miss?
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From: USA
Are you saying you saw this from the ground? Where? when? and how in heavens name would you as a groundbound observer EVER know what the seperation between them was? Sounds like a lot of scaremongering tosh ......bet this nonsense ends up in the local rag!!!
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From: Stockport
Look at profile, journalist, says it all! if I based my observations on that! there would be dozens a day over the UK. It is almost impossible to judge distance of two targets at that distance due
1. Distance (try standing on the beach and watching two ships cross at about 4-5 miles distance, quite often the ship you though was the furthest away actually passes in front of the other
2. different size of aircraft
Total tosh
Golf India Bravo
1. Distance (try standing on the beach and watching two ships cross at about 4-5 miles distance, quite often the ship you though was the furthest away actually passes in front of the other
2. different size of aircraft
Total tosh
Golf India Bravo
Ohcirrej
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From: This is the internet FFS.........
I'm gonna stick my oar in before either Mono deletes this post, or a Mod does it for him.
Do you really not see anything wrong with what you have posted? Or are you just simply trying "to elicit certain reactions"?
I'll chalk another point in the "For" box of my "why just about all journos have no clue about aviation".
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
Do you really not see anything wrong with what you have posted? Or are you just simply trying "to elicit certain reactions"?
I'll chalk another point in the "For" box of my "why just about all journos have no clue about aviation".
Don't let the door hit your ass on the way out.
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From: southern england
This one might have some truth in it!
"Federal aviation officials revealed Wednesday(10/12) two aircraft on approach to Chicago's O'Hare International Airport this week nearly struck each other.
The Federal Aviation Administration said a Mexicana aircraft and a United Airlines plane were on a collision course Tuesday night when the United pilot was alerted to the danger by an onboard collision-avoidance system. The United plane descended abruptly to avoid the other aircraft. No injuries were reported aboard either plane.
FAA spokesman Tony Molinaro said the 6:45 p.m. incident is being investigated as possible pilot error by the Mexicana pilot flying an Airbus A319.
Molinaro said an air-traffic controller told the Mexicana pilot to turn left. The plane, instead, turned right and flew into the path of the United aircraft.
He said the planes were 1 mile apart and closing when the United pilot took evasive action. A minimum 3-mile horizontal spacing is required between planes on final approach to O'Hare."
The Federal Aviation Administration said a Mexicana aircraft and a United Airlines plane were on a collision course Tuesday night when the United pilot was alerted to the danger by an onboard collision-avoidance system. The United plane descended abruptly to avoid the other aircraft. No injuries were reported aboard either plane.
FAA spokesman Tony Molinaro said the 6:45 p.m. incident is being investigated as possible pilot error by the Mexicana pilot flying an Airbus A319.
Molinaro said an air-traffic controller told the Mexicana pilot to turn left. The plane, instead, turned right and flew into the path of the United aircraft.
He said the planes were 1 mile apart and closing when the United pilot took evasive action. A minimum 3-mile horizontal spacing is required between planes on final approach to O'Hare."
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From: New Zealand
Festus you have obviously never been on a head too head with another aircraft at the same level closing speed 700 MPH same level when the TCAS screams at you. I have its not something that happens every day I have been flying over 20 years and its the first time for me, it happened a few years ago and when the CAA made up the model on the computer from the tapes it made it all seem something then too all too frightening. So I would suggest its not something that happens a few times a day.
Edited cos I cant multiply x2 when trying to do other things and talk to people
Edited cos I cant multiply x2 when trying to do other things and talk to people
Last edited by fergineer; 13th December 2003 at 01:39.
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From: In Frozen Chunks (Cloud Cuckoo Land)
What does Chicago's Ohare, Air mexican jumping beans, United and a Scarebus 319 have to do with Northern Ireland - unless he not only saw a near mid air collision at 20000' and several thousand miles away.
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From: world citizen
Festus you have obviously never been on a head too head with another aircraft at the same level closing speed 1500 MPH same level when the TCAS screams at you.
Damn that's one hell of a final speed if you ask me :-)
Damn that's one hell of a final speed if you ask me :-)
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From: Scotland
didn't it occur one plane could be flying over the top of one? with one being a FL30 and one being at FL40 (as an example)
Just like the boat example was given. I could also give 2 cars on an A class road example too if you want?
Just like the boat example was given. I could also give 2 cars on an A class road example too if you want?
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From: Chicago
Is anyone else concerned that there are pilots up there who cannot tell their left from their right? I have been able to do this since I was five, and yet I cannot do many of the other things pilots are required to do - fuel management, diversion planning etc.
Maybe someone could suggest painting "L" and "R" on the relevant hands.
Maybe someone could suggest painting "L" and "R" on the relevant hands.
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From: Walthamstow
Here we go again
Here we go again! Tarring us all with the same old boring brush.
1) I am a journalist (print and radio)
2) I am a qualified Private Pilot
I do my utmost to keep stupid aviation related stories OUT of our news broadcasts/papers etc UNTIL I have had time to confirm the facts behind them rather than picking up on a !!!!! story and trying to make it sound sexy!
I know of at least 12 mainstream journalists (ie national newspapers/radio/tv) who also fly aircraft as a hobby. Please stop generalising whenever some work experience kn*b from a local rag slides into these forums trying to work you all up into a frenzy. It appears to work!!
SQUAWKIDENT
1) I am a journalist (print and radio)
2) I am a qualified Private Pilot
I do my utmost to keep stupid aviation related stories OUT of our news broadcasts/papers etc UNTIL I have had time to confirm the facts behind them rather than picking up on a !!!!! story and trying to make it sound sexy!
I know of at least 12 mainstream journalists (ie national newspapers/radio/tv) who also fly aircraft as a hobby. Please stop generalising whenever some work experience kn*b from a local rag slides into these forums trying to work you all up into a frenzy. It appears to work!!
SQUAWKIDENT
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From: USA
Squawk....I often wonder if reading some of the sensationalist claptrap regarding aviation which gets into newspapers(or other media) what else is equally poorly researched and sensationalised? Momos' post was just plain silly......if he has "pictures" POST THEM.
