Air Atlanta Made Answer For Its Methods (Merged)
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Mr. yes, no yes must have an axe to grind with someone.
Time off does need improvement here.
Time off to go home is without pay, for the pilots anyway.
Balancing work an family life with months away from home is
difficult.
Time off does need improvement here.
Time off to go home is without pay, for the pilots anyway.
Balancing work an family life with months away from home is
difficult.
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I agree with Steve on a couple points: Unions are no damn good and after 16 months ANY flying job is good.
C3000 pilots got hosed by ALPA after the C3/CanJet/Royal fiasco. No support whatsoever. A joke of a 'union'.
I ran into some of your ex-C3 colleagues in Seattle at Boeing, Steve; they were quite happy working for a new B-757 start-up called HMY. All were very professional, and gentleman.
I did tease them about the Canucks losing in the Stanley Cup playoffs, however!
C3000 pilots got hosed by ALPA after the C3/CanJet/Royal fiasco. No support whatsoever. A joke of a 'union'.
I ran into some of your ex-C3 colleagues in Seattle at Boeing, Steve; they were quite happy working for a new B-757 start-up called HMY. All were very professional, and gentleman.
I did tease them about the Canucks losing in the Stanley Cup playoffs, however!
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Hey Password,
Why you not understand, eh, the guys need to work, and if thats all thats going, then you have to 'grin and bear it' - sounds simple to sort as far as I'm concerned!
I worked for AAI for over four years, saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars in aircraft delays and recoveries, not to mention embarrassment (If thats possible), all maintenance related.
Then, one day I made it known to one of those lazy, good-for-nothing 'operations officers' sods (locals), that he was just that, justifiably, I think, and my contract was not renewed.
They were always operating 'on the edge' so to speak, as far as maintenance was concerned, something I never could quite put up with, so my time there was never happy, just had to go with it to keep the job.
As I said, I'm out of there now, and very glad for it!!
Cheers
Why you not understand, eh, the guys need to work, and if thats all thats going, then you have to 'grin and bear it' - sounds simple to sort as far as I'm concerned!
I worked for AAI for over four years, saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars in aircraft delays and recoveries, not to mention embarrassment (If thats possible), all maintenance related.
Then, one day I made it known to one of those lazy, good-for-nothing 'operations officers' sods (locals), that he was just that, justifiably, I think, and my contract was not renewed.
They were always operating 'on the edge' so to speak, as far as maintenance was concerned, something I never could quite put up with, so my time there was never happy, just had to go with it to keep the job.
As I said, I'm out of there now, and very glad for it!!
Cheers
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Well I actually work for Air Atalnta, not been told about it by 'my mate who works there'
Air Atlanta is what you make of it, it is not for everybody, the Ops Dept is not the best so you need to be able to think on your feet and you do need to get things done yourself. Yes the Icelandics are a strange bread, they probably think the same about us!!!! I have done some great flying with them and have been all over the world to places I never thought I would go to in normal life, if you are happy flying to the Greek Islands and back in the same day then you do it as it does not interest me in the slightest. I am a professional with a professional attitude, I go to work and fly safely and like most other companies they may occasionally try and 'bend the rules a little' to get the job done, I say no, if it is justified then noboby can hold it against you.
The money could and should be better but that may soon change, they pay on time too, not like some other contract companies.
......... and finally before the moaners come back to me I PAY TAXES TOO.
Air Atlanta is what you make of it, it is not for everybody, the Ops Dept is not the best so you need to be able to think on your feet and you do need to get things done yourself. Yes the Icelandics are a strange bread, they probably think the same about us!!!! I have done some great flying with them and have been all over the world to places I never thought I would go to in normal life, if you are happy flying to the Greek Islands and back in the same day then you do it as it does not interest me in the slightest. I am a professional with a professional attitude, I go to work and fly safely and like most other companies they may occasionally try and 'bend the rules a little' to get the job done, I say no, if it is justified then noboby can hold it against you.
The money could and should be better but that may soon change, they pay on time too, not like some other contract companies.
......... and finally before the moaners come back to me I PAY TAXES TOO.
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I couldn't agree more. I cant be assed replying to the negativity and agree with you totally. Long may the job last and the salary increase promised arrives....I also pay my taxes.
I couldn't agree more. I cant be assed replying to the negativity and agree with you totally. Long may the job last and the salary increase promised arrives....I also pay my taxes.
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Yes no Yes,, you are correct !!
All pilots are toilet paper to Air Atlanta, they use you and throw you away
Yes no yes, I like what you say.
Having also once worked for AAI, I can relate to what you have to say.
AAI uses crews like toilet paper. They use you and then throw you away if you complain, disagree, refuse to operate illegally, ect.
The only problem is that there are other spineless individuals who will step right up after you refuse to conform to their way and take the flight anyways.
Yes no yes, I like what you say.
Having also once worked for AAI, I can relate to what you have to say.
AAI uses crews like toilet paper. They use you and then throw you away if you complain, disagree, refuse to operate illegally, ect.
The only problem is that there are other spineless individuals who will step right up after you refuse to conform to their way and take the flight anyways.
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All wonderful pros and cons here on AAI. Now, lets get it right and put them out of business. We just need an inbreeder island government to sign off on what ever we tell them and we can fool the world.
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If some of you pilots are a so called "valued commodity" as many as you seem to think you are, and you're all so dammed good at what you do, you should have the pick of the jobs around the world.
In which case, why don't you spend less time moaning and more time searching for that elusive pot of gold at the end of the rainbow...
Given the choice, we'd probably all change aspects of our working lives and environments, but we have to get on with it, unless, apparently, you're a pilot.....
And before you all scream and shout, there are some dammed good ones, who enjoy their work and their lives but don't spend all day going on about how bad life is..........blah blah blah
Bye Bye
In which case, why don't you spend less time moaning and more time searching for that elusive pot of gold at the end of the rainbow...
Given the choice, we'd probably all change aspects of our working lives and environments, but we have to get on with it, unless, apparently, you're a pilot.....
And before you all scream and shout, there are some dammed good ones, who enjoy their work and their lives but don't spend all day going on about how bad life is..........blah blah blah
Bye Bye
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Pasword...... hear hear!!!! Many of us at AAI are a selective breed, it's true! Some have mortgages, some not....some are JAR, some not! ALL are professionals, albeit working on the fringe.....but the fringe is coming mainstream.
A lot of guys Ive heard lambasting AAI, come from previously coddled environments, like Ansett or "the world's favourite airline", and are understandably non-plussed at having to operate in the real world.
Crap pay and dubious accomodation have their advantages. These conditions tend to concentrate one's mind on getting the friggin' job done! Safely!!! Those of you who want profit-sharing and 28 days off a month need not apply. It's not "US" who are missing out.....I'll feel safer without YOU there!
Last count, there were over 64 different nationalities working for the "Icies". Don't knock it until you've succeeded at it for , at least, one Hadj!
edited to ensure the Queen's English was correct
A lot of guys Ive heard lambasting AAI, come from previously coddled environments, like Ansett or "the world's favourite airline", and are understandably non-plussed at having to operate in the real world.
Crap pay and dubious accomodation have their advantages. These conditions tend to concentrate one's mind on getting the friggin' job done! Safely!!! Those of you who want profit-sharing and 28 days off a month need not apply. It's not "US" who are missing out.....I'll feel safer without YOU there!
Last count, there were over 64 different nationalities working for the "Icies". Don't knock it until you've succeeded at it for , at least, one Hadj!
edited to ensure the Queen's English was correct
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Any questions about security for Hadj crews??? I have none! Let's see, the compound in Riyahd was formerly Boeing.....Rose Village was formerly USAF and Lockheed..... hmmmmmm?
Even Nisar D. will probably be a bit reticent this year.....next target the Al Bilad????
This Hadj should be VERY interesting, eh?
Even Nisar D. will probably be a bit reticent this year.....next target the Al Bilad????
This Hadj should be VERY interesting, eh?
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Crews will be based in India for this year's Hadj. Too much trouble on the Saudi mainland. This is why we are having difficulty recruiting crews.
Events in Riyhad have sealed it. Other options would be Bahrain or the UAE. The first Hadj I can remember when we can get a drink (legally) at Base !
Keep the faith :]
Events in Riyhad have sealed it. Other options would be Bahrain or the UAE. The first Hadj I can remember when we can get a drink (legally) at Base !
Keep the faith :]
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I was told that a Muslim must perform HAJ once in his lifetime if he can afford it.
A pilot with Air atlanta has to do HAJ every year or he cannot afford anything.
With many Haj"s behind me I am still broke!
A pilot with Air atlanta has to do HAJ every year or he cannot afford anything.
With many Haj"s behind me I am still broke!
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Hello "Password"
You are so right, pilots are a bunch of arrogant t@ sers, every one a born loser with an attitude a mile wide who thinks that they are a valued commodity because of having other peoples lives in their trust. A whole industry full of little prima donna's. What a crock of you know what they all are, n'est ce pas?
They so have it coming to them, and about time too, eh! Sure feels good when you get the little b@ t@ ds on a short term contract with lousy benefits and force them to prostitute themselves by flying stupid hours in aeroplanes that have not had the required maintenance. No more happy smiles from them then. In fact, best of all is to crank the benefits down and the hassles up to the point where it becomes a serious debate amongst their pathetic little community as to whether its worth going on in the "profession" or not. Sorry, should have said "trade" there.
So much fun when you can be not merely unjust in terms of hiring and firing but deliberately cruel. So funny to see their little worn-out faces and hopeless attempts at maintaining a domestic life when you can mess about with their lives pretty much at whim. So weird that despite all this they just keep coming to the door looking for more of the same like an abused dog that hasnt got the wit to leave its abusing owner.
Yeah, right Mr. Password, and what do you do for a hobby? Pull the wings off butterflies for fun? Posts like yours make pprune a required AVOID these days. Guess one shouldn't take the bait and bite back but it amazes me you have the gall to post the pure, unadulterated, bull that you do.
You are so right, pilots are a bunch of arrogant t@ sers, every one a born loser with an attitude a mile wide who thinks that they are a valued commodity because of having other peoples lives in their trust. A whole industry full of little prima donna's. What a crock of you know what they all are, n'est ce pas?
They so have it coming to them, and about time too, eh! Sure feels good when you get the little b@ t@ ds on a short term contract with lousy benefits and force them to prostitute themselves by flying stupid hours in aeroplanes that have not had the required maintenance. No more happy smiles from them then. In fact, best of all is to crank the benefits down and the hassles up to the point where it becomes a serious debate amongst their pathetic little community as to whether its worth going on in the "profession" or not. Sorry, should have said "trade" there.
So much fun when you can be not merely unjust in terms of hiring and firing but deliberately cruel. So funny to see their little worn-out faces and hopeless attempts at maintaining a domestic life when you can mess about with their lives pretty much at whim. So weird that despite all this they just keep coming to the door looking for more of the same like an abused dog that hasnt got the wit to leave its abusing owner.
Yeah, right Mr. Password, and what do you do for a hobby? Pull the wings off butterflies for fun? Posts like yours make pprune a required AVOID these days. Guess one shouldn't take the bait and bite back but it amazes me you have the gall to post the pure, unadulterated, bull that you do.
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hand bags all over the place,but the statements about maintenance etc bear some thought
i know who does a lot of the large a/c maint and they are a JAR145 certificate holder as are the airline
there is no room for monkey business other than the legal MEL
for the rest- enjoy your lemons
i know who does a lot of the large a/c maint and they are a JAR145 certificate holder as are the airline
there is no room for monkey business other than the legal MEL
for the rest- enjoy your lemons
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interesting
Dear Earl, love it! seriously nice response.
Ref Jar ops compliance. Get a grip. This is the european flag of convenience!
Might as well be liberian!
New deal shows 20 per cent salary reduction for same time at work. IE you pay for your own vacation in a pay drop.
Nice!
Thank you Mr AAI
On top of that, you no longer have the choice of when you take the vacation. Plus you sign off on the next six years of Xmas at home.
All this for less money.
Hummmmmmmmmm, let me figure this one out!
Got it!
Jerry, Stick it where the sun don't shine!
Oh, but I am sure you are finally getting this message, ref the response from the last month!
Ref Jar ops compliance. Get a grip. This is the european flag of convenience!
Might as well be liberian!
New deal shows 20 per cent salary reduction for same time at work. IE you pay for your own vacation in a pay drop.
Nice!
Thank you Mr AAI
On top of that, you no longer have the choice of when you take the vacation. Plus you sign off on the next six years of Xmas at home.
All this for less money.
Hummmmmmmmmm, let me figure this one out!
Got it!
Jerry, Stick it where the sun don't shine!
Oh, but I am sure you are finally getting this message, ref the response from the last month!
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I take it the bloom has gone off the rose then, Flybob...
No, indeed it is not the airline it once was...especially for the wannabee check and traing guys who could not cut the mustard, and pull in the $12K+ monthly salaries, just a short time ago.
Read it and weep....
No, indeed it is not the airline it once was...especially for the wannabee check and traing guys who could not cut the mustard, and pull in the $12K+ monthly salaries, just a short time ago.
Read it and weep....