Private travel as Extra Crew
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Hi guys,
The benefits of travelling extra crew with spanish airline is quite controversial.
The two main problems are that most of foreign airline don't do the same so it is quite unfair as there is no reciprocity and people are afraid that if they spread the word on how to do it, then there will be too many people taking benefit of it thus the privilege may end.
But what they do in heathrow is that the ground personel ask by radio the captain on behalf of the guy wanting to travel as extra crew, after having showed licence, passport and company card.
If the captain agrees, then they issue a written boarding pass to go thru security.
Every single airline crews should fight with their company, so all of us pilot can benefit from it.
Cheers
The benefits of travelling extra crew with spanish airline is quite controversial.
The two main problems are that most of foreign airline don't do the same so it is quite unfair as there is no reciprocity and people are afraid that if they spread the word on how to do it, then there will be too many people taking benefit of it thus the privilege may end.
But what they do in heathrow is that the ground personel ask by radio the captain on behalf of the guy wanting to travel as extra crew, after having showed licence, passport and company card.
If the captain agrees, then they issue a written boarding pass to go thru security.
Every single airline crews should fight with their company, so all of us pilot can benefit from it.
Cheers
Join Date: Feb 2003
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I hear that at EASY, not even their own flight crew members are allowed to take the jumpseat, let alone have access to the cockpit when off duty, even with a ticket!
Far beyond my comprehension....
When I am being positioned or travelling privately, out of uniform, I always tell the Cabin Chief I am available to help if needed just as would be expected dressed in work suit and extra-crewing.
Spanish pilots have been known to turn down jumpseaters so itīs not always a free ride, but the Captain has the final say, and most do what they can and thats always more human than a flat out NO, specially when one day our extra help could be of very important use. The reciprocal issue should be addressed but it will not be addressed, count on that. Terrorism has created the end of good will. Luckily, in Spain, we still have it. Are the other EEC airlines willing to restore it ?
Far beyond my comprehension....
When I am being positioned or travelling privately, out of uniform, I always tell the Cabin Chief I am available to help if needed just as would be expected dressed in work suit and extra-crewing.
Spanish pilots have been known to turn down jumpseaters so itīs not always a free ride, but the Captain has the final say, and most do what they can and thats always more human than a flat out NO, specially when one day our extra help could be of very important use. The reciprocal issue should be addressed but it will not be addressed, count on that. Terrorism has created the end of good will. Luckily, in Spain, we still have it. Are the other EEC airlines willing to restore it ?
Hey Battraveller!!
Do you mean nationality or working for a North American company??
Usually they only take people working for Spanish companies, but it all depends on the mood of the captain I guess.
Heard about a guy from KLM hitching a ride though once, but usually it works both ways. If you can jumpseat on their flights.....they should also be able to jumpseat on yours.
Fair is fair
Do you mean nationality or working for a North American company??
Usually they only take people working for Spanish companies, but it all depends on the mood of the captain I guess.
Heard about a guy from KLM hitching a ride though once, but usually it works both ways. If you can jumpseat on their flights.....they should also be able to jumpseat on yours.
Fair is fair
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It is a big problem when the Department of Transport makes all the rules and backs them up with legislation. It is now an empire, which is expanding to give them more control, more importance and more jobs.
Remember, that these were the guys that actively pushed the advice that if a hijacker started making demands, you let him do the thinking and you follow as best you can, in an attempt to calm the situation.
The new doors we have, and the door procedures are great for security. But the idea that you can't safely carry off-duty colleagues on the flight deck ( but you can when they are on duty) is a joke.
Remember, that these were the guys that actively pushed the advice that if a hijacker started making demands, you let him do the thinking and you follow as best you can, in an attempt to calm the situation.
The new doors we have, and the door procedures are great for security. But the idea that you can't safely carry off-duty colleagues on the flight deck ( but you can when they are on duty) is a joke.
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Alitalia
Has anybody had luck travelling as extra crew on Air France or Alitalia? Both these countries tend to be more chilled out than governing bodies in the UK who appear to be rigid and over reactionary to the 'terrorist threat'
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Just adding another factor into the mix.....
As valid ATCO's in the UK, most airlines provided a famil system pre 9-11. This has all but finished now due to the security rules currently being experienced, this is despite all ATCO's employed by NATS requiring home office security clearance as a pre-requisite of employment.
Unofficial visits were also enjoyed and it gave us an opportunity to talk to the customers properly instead of barking out instructions ten to the dozen.
I know that most of my colleagues will agree that we have lost an invaluable source of feedback and enquiries that looks unlikely to return.
My thanks to those who may have entertained our intrusions in the past.
As valid ATCO's in the UK, most airlines provided a famil system pre 9-11. This has all but finished now due to the security rules currently being experienced, this is despite all ATCO's employed by NATS requiring home office security clearance as a pre-requisite of employment.
Unofficial visits were also enjoyed and it gave us an opportunity to talk to the customers properly instead of barking out instructions ten to the dozen.
I know that most of my colleagues will agree that we have lost an invaluable source of feedback and enquiries that looks unlikely to return.
My thanks to those who may have entertained our intrusions in the past.
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jump seat.
Tinstaafil.Well said ,because you are off duty you are a serious security threat if you sit in the jump seat even though you have been vetted by a government department,However ,Joe public sat on the other side of the cockpit door is not a threat even though they could be anybody.Maybe its time to vet every passenger before we sell them a ticket.
