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Mr A Tis
I think you have missed the point here.Male security are not allowed to search females and vice versa so why should gay people be allowed to search people of the same sex.I dont know if there are any gay security at MAN but if there are then it may constitute a personal violation.
I think you have missed the point here.Male security are not allowed to search females and vice versa so why should gay people be allowed to search people of the same sex.I dont know if there are any gay security at MAN but if there are then it may constitute a personal violation.
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Thank you CRAB
...at least some people actually read posts before coming on the board and flaming them.
MR A TIS
READ MY POST.....CAREFULLY !
I did not, and still DO NOT imply that any one of the security staff are homosexual.......
That is not the point.....
MY POINT was...(if you care to read it properly), that why should I be subjected to a rather personal body search by anyone...male/female/gay/straight or anything..... when there are better ways of doing it which does not violate my personal space....?
I would still have the same views if a female searched me.....
BLIMEY!
You make a comment on here.....and it is twisted and turned back on you with a completely different intention.
Let's grow up guys. Get with the point of the topic and GET A LIFE !
...at least some people actually read posts before coming on the board and flaming them.
MR A TIS
READ MY POST.....CAREFULLY !
I did not, and still DO NOT imply that any one of the security staff are homosexual.......
That is not the point.....
MY POINT was...(if you care to read it properly), that why should I be subjected to a rather personal body search by anyone...male/female/gay/straight or anything..... when there are better ways of doing it which does not violate my personal space....?
I would still have the same views if a female searched me.....
BLIMEY!
You make a comment on here.....and it is twisted and turned back on you with a completely different intention.
Let's grow up guys. Get with the point of the topic and GET A LIFE !
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Personnally, I don't mind being frisked, and have never felt that the men doing it were taking any interest in the family jewels or other parts of my anatomy. I would however prefer it done by women 
. Although I'm afraid they would be as professional and uninterested as the men...
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On a more serious note, I wonder what happens with children. Are they frisked? If they're not, this is a serious security risk. And if they are, what is the danger, in these times of moral and political correctedness, of security staff being wrongly accused of paedophilia by paranoid parents?
. Although I'm afraid they would be as professional and uninterested as the men... .On a more serious note, I wonder what happens with children. Are they frisked? If they're not, this is a serious security risk. And if they are, what is the danger, in these times of moral and political correctedness, of security staff being wrongly accused of paedophilia by paranoid parents?
MON Driver, I'm afraid it is you completely missing the point.
You made very good points about the frisking issue, which, as I said, I agree entirely with you.
However, you detracted from a valid sensible reasoned argument by a couple of cheap homophobic jibes
You made very good points about the frisking issue, which, as I said, I agree entirely with you.
However, you detracted from a valid sensible reasoned argument by a couple of cheap homophobic jibes
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Mr Tis
If I offended you, I apologise. I have ammended what I think caused you to take offence. My comment has no emphasise on sexuality, but merely personal invasion of space - by anyone.
It's as simple as that. I'm amazed so much is being read into this.
If I offended you, I apologise. I have ammended what I think caused you to take offence. My comment has no emphasise on sexuality, but merely personal invasion of space - by anyone.
It's as simple as that. I'm amazed so much is being read into this.
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On the subject of frisking, I quite like a free massage first thing in the morning......
But seriously, Manchester security has been a serious mess for some time, has it not ?.
Making fraudulent travel claims for a relatively small amount was stupid, but there are many honest sould out there who have never been caught. For this a career was ruined, maybe he was an effective copper, and this second chance in life will push him to make effective changes to the security at Manchester..maybe.
Suggest that you wait and see the operational result of this appointment before getting knickers in a twist.
But seriously, Manchester security has been a serious mess for some time, has it not ?.
Making fraudulent travel claims for a relatively small amount was stupid, but there are many honest sould out there who have never been caught. For this a career was ruined, maybe he was an effective copper, and this second chance in life will push him to make effective changes to the security at Manchester..maybe.
Suggest that you wait and see the operational result of this appointment before getting knickers in a twist.
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This thread has raised an issue which I was considering starting a thread on.
I have heard several complaints from different people using different airports about highly invasive 'security' checks on both men and women which have caused serious offense. In extreme cases the person being checked has even considered formal complaints of assult against the security staff.
Whilst the need for security is real there are many threads on PPRUNE that systematically rubbish the effectivness of security measures whilst alliagnatting the innocent.
Does anyone know for certain (no hearsay) what level of legal authority security staff have for personally invasive serches, or what the outcome would be of refusing to submit to a search that was considered demeaning or offensive?
I have heard several complaints from different people using different airports about highly invasive 'security' checks on both men and women which have caused serious offense. In extreme cases the person being checked has even considered formal complaints of assult against the security staff.
Whilst the need for security is real there are many threads on PPRUNE that systematically rubbish the effectivness of security measures whilst alliagnatting the innocent.
Does anyone know for certain (no hearsay) what level of legal authority security staff have for personally invasive serches, or what the outcome would be of refusing to submit to a search that was considered demeaning or offensive?
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The man systematically stole over a period of time while he was in a position of trust.
That's the bottom line.
Should he be put in position of trust again?
I think he shouldn't.
MP
That's the bottom line.
Should he be put in position of trust again?
I think he shouldn't.
MP
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Yes he is a real master criminal .......
mgc
No legal requirement to submit to search that I am aware of. It is probably implicitly voluntary, on the basis of, refuse search = denied boarding = take the train...
Yes he is a real master criminal .......
mgc
No legal requirement to submit to search that I am aware of. It is probably implicitly voluntary, on the basis of, refuse search = denied boarding = take the train...
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Airport security staff have no statutory right to search people without the subject’s consent in the way that police officers can under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act under proscribed circumstances, or in the way that customs officers can as allowed by Excise and other Acts.
As has been said it is a case of submit to a search or don’t travel; no different from entering a football ground or many political meetings where stewards or security officers are often on hand to carry out frisks of those entering.
If when passing through airport security you are selected for a body search you have the right to say ‘no’. That would certainly mean they would not let you pass any further and they may even decide your refusal is suspicious and alert the police.
I do wonder at the effectiveness of a physical frisk the way it is carried out at UK airports. In the US the police usually demand that suspects stand facing a wall with legs spread apart. Even that does not always lead to a one hundred per cent certain search. A full strip search is the only way to be virtually sure that someone has been thoroughly searched, and that can be unpleasant for both searched and searcher.
Clearly, that is not a realistic exercise at airports so we are left with a compromise – not a very effective compromise in my view.
I know many people find being searched by a stranger, especially in public view of numerous other strangers as happens at airports, humiliating and thoroughly unpleasant. That is why security staff have to be continually reminded of this, and their supervisors must ensure that the searchers always act with the utmost tact, discretion and sympathy.
Being boorish and running roughshod over customers at the altar of the god of security will not do. In fairness, my experience with UK airport security staff is that in the main they do act properly and sensibly. Unfortunately, the few that don’t always attract a disproportionate amount of attention and publicity.
As has been said it is a case of submit to a search or don’t travel; no different from entering a football ground or many political meetings where stewards or security officers are often on hand to carry out frisks of those entering.
If when passing through airport security you are selected for a body search you have the right to say ‘no’. That would certainly mean they would not let you pass any further and they may even decide your refusal is suspicious and alert the police.
I do wonder at the effectiveness of a physical frisk the way it is carried out at UK airports. In the US the police usually demand that suspects stand facing a wall with legs spread apart. Even that does not always lead to a one hundred per cent certain search. A full strip search is the only way to be virtually sure that someone has been thoroughly searched, and that can be unpleasant for both searched and searcher.
Clearly, that is not a realistic exercise at airports so we are left with a compromise – not a very effective compromise in my view.
I know many people find being searched by a stranger, especially in public view of numerous other strangers as happens at airports, humiliating and thoroughly unpleasant. That is why security staff have to be continually reminded of this, and their supervisors must ensure that the searchers always act with the utmost tact, discretion and sympathy.
Being boorish and running roughshod over customers at the altar of the god of security will not do. In fairness, my experience with UK airport security staff is that in the main they do act properly and sensibly. Unfortunately, the few that don’t always attract a disproportionate amount of attention and publicity.
