Luxair
Luxair
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: tracy island
Posts: 240
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
EMBRAER after landing left runway to settle in mud adjacent to rwy06-conditions cavok- 4 pax on board no body injured,a/c still on side of rwy cause unknown
pictures availablehere
pictures availablehere
Last edited by acmi48; 24th Sep 2003 at 19:36.
Chieftan o'the Pudden Race
Join Date: Nov 1997
Location: Scotland usually, and often other parts of Europe
Age: 55
Posts: 826
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This is quite an impressive picture.
There were 8 pax and 4 flight crew on board, no injuries reported.
There were 8 pax and 4 flight crew on board, no injuries reported.
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: USA
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Howdy Scarabe! Still out there? Might be time to study SB's about thrust reversers and anti skid brakes and all that stuff ...NOW!
By the way, is this an incident or an accident in the LX -DAC-Glossary!
Take care, guys!
By the way, is this an incident or an accident in the LX -DAC-Glossary!
Take care, guys!
Join Date: Sep 1998
Location: The best in the world... of course!!!
Posts: 67
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Luxair
Gents,
There is a long time I do not write on this board, but , I could not resist...
We can imagine the reporters asking to the management members, off course all seating behind a long table
Reporter asking:
Sir, Can you tell us what happened... this time ?
Management member:
Well, we are investigating, what we can tell is that the tyres were new, enfact fitted yesterday before the flight, also, the aircraft maintenance it was impecable, and to conclude, nothing is wrong in our company, nothing, everything is fine
Cheers mate !
There is a long time I do not write on this board, but , I could not resist...
We can imagine the reporters asking to the management members, off course all seating behind a long table
Reporter asking:
Sir, Can you tell us what happened... this time ?
Management member:
Well, we are investigating, what we can tell is that the tyres were new, enfact fitted yesterday before the flight, also, the aircraft maintenance it was impecable, and to conclude, nothing is wrong in our company, nothing, everything is fine
Cheers mate !
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: belgique
Age: 44
Posts: 39
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi
It seems that the aircraft would had a problem on the left wheel breaking system, so when the pilot applied brakes, the aircraft veered to the right due to the unbalanced braking system .
It is sure not a problem of reversers because for noise abatement procedures, the reversers are not allowed in ELLX (except for safety reasons)
It seems that the aircraft would had a problem on the left wheel breaking system, so when the pilot applied brakes, the aircraft veered to the right due to the unbalanced braking system .
It is sure not a problem of reversers because for noise abatement procedures, the reversers are not allowed in ELLX (except for safety reasons)
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: USA
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Safety Reasons?!? ... Never believe it, you might sit in it!
LX AVIATION GLOSSARY
Aviation = Luxair
Luxair = Safety
Safety = LX DAC (that means Direction de l'Aviation Civile)
DAC = Very Important People (because they are the safety)
EXECPTION = A fact that confirms an existing Rule. I.E.
Rule: LX DAC Airworthiness Certification is safe and always reliable. - Exceptions that already confirmed this rule: Sometimes two engines quit on Swearingen Metro after acft becomes airborne but pilot has great skills as a glider pilot - or - sometimes stupid pax puts hands in flight in turning prop because cabin window would not do it to destination - or - ooops, prop, gearbox and cowling decide to land at the outer marker while pilots are wondering what the hell this thing flies that funny again...
AD = terminology in american english and representing a red placard in the Fokker F50 cockpit saying: "AD/LX000001-effective nov 2002: Please do not shift into reverse gear again before this vehicle comes to a complete stop"
n/c related to a SB = SB non compris (that's french, in english it reads: equipment not concerned) Note: also the effect stays so far the same (no action to be taken), the english n/c refers directly to the equipment (by type or S/N) while the LX n/c refers to the airworthiness representative's opinion, his mood and to the complexety of the content of the related SB which is often really hard to understand.
rare = LX DAC ADs: there is only one since the Wright brothers
incident = acft wrecked, pax a little messed up and upset
accident = national catastrophe where nobody knows how this could happen but probably the pilots did all wrong again.
support = effort taken by LX DAC in order to restart worldwide acft industry. If all Airlines could adopt the same movement to wreck ratio, acft industrie could boom again.
s.o.b. = Sun Of a Butcher. It is not at all what you might have thought again, but stands here for persons in high ranks who really know how you can get big things really fast into many little pieces ...too bad that they don't tell us! -professional's secret.
Press = people that are not always allowed to write the truth because there is the advertising department.
outlaw = Duke (that's me)
CICERO:
LX AVIATION GLOSSARY
Aviation = Luxair
Luxair = Safety
Safety = LX DAC (that means Direction de l'Aviation Civile)
DAC = Very Important People (because they are the safety)
EXECPTION = A fact that confirms an existing Rule. I.E.
Rule: LX DAC Airworthiness Certification is safe and always reliable. - Exceptions that already confirmed this rule: Sometimes two engines quit on Swearingen Metro after acft becomes airborne but pilot has great skills as a glider pilot - or - sometimes stupid pax puts hands in flight in turning prop because cabin window would not do it to destination - or - ooops, prop, gearbox and cowling decide to land at the outer marker while pilots are wondering what the hell this thing flies that funny again...
AD = terminology in american english and representing a red placard in the Fokker F50 cockpit saying: "AD/LX000001-effective nov 2002: Please do not shift into reverse gear again before this vehicle comes to a complete stop"
n/c related to a SB = SB non compris (that's french, in english it reads: equipment not concerned) Note: also the effect stays so far the same (no action to be taken), the english n/c refers directly to the equipment (by type or S/N) while the LX n/c refers to the airworthiness representative's opinion, his mood and to the complexety of the content of the related SB which is often really hard to understand.
rare = LX DAC ADs: there is only one since the Wright brothers
incident = acft wrecked, pax a little messed up and upset
accident = national catastrophe where nobody knows how this could happen but probably the pilots did all wrong again.
support = effort taken by LX DAC in order to restart worldwide acft industry. If all Airlines could adopt the same movement to wreck ratio, acft industrie could boom again.
s.o.b. = Sun Of a Butcher. It is not at all what you might have thought again, but stands here for persons in high ranks who really know how you can get big things really fast into many little pieces ...too bad that they don't tell us! -professional's secret.
Press = people that are not always allowed to write the truth because there is the advertising department.
outlaw = Duke (that's me)
CICERO:
Last edited by DUKE101057; 27th Sep 2003 at 10:10.
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Switzerland, Singapore
Posts: 1,309
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
This is *most probably* a reverser problem. But unlike you may think it is not a technical but an operational problem. You may know that EMB-145s are quite new for them, pilots transistioned from FK-50 and are not so used to the problem:
If you have a tail-engine aircraft, do not force the reversers in crosswind conditions! This problem is neighter new nor is it solved. Every now and then slips an MD-80 or alike into the grass. Luxembourg is also famous for its wind conditions.
I guess that LUX's OM says you should not use the reverser thrust, but reverse idle thrust is always allowed - otherwise you do something wrong with a jet: hitting the brake while applying idle thrust is not common among airliners...
Dani
If you have a tail-engine aircraft, do not force the reversers in crosswind conditions! This problem is neighter new nor is it solved. Every now and then slips an MD-80 or alike into the grass. Luxembourg is also famous for its wind conditions.
I guess that LUX's OM says you should not use the reverser thrust, but reverse idle thrust is always allowed - otherwise you do something wrong with a jet: hitting the brake while applying idle thrust is not common among airliners...
Dani
PPRuNe Co-Pilot
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: The Sky
Posts: 931
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Hi all,
Still regarding this incident, in Portugal we have an airline by the name of Air Luxor, and the press made some "stupid" connection Luxair <-----> Air Luxor, so has you can imagine some folks in Portugal thought that an Air Luxor jet had an incident, this is just to show how stupid the press can be, instead of searching for some facts for the story no they do this kind of crap
Still regarding this incident, in Portugal we have an airline by the name of Air Luxor, and the press made some "stupid" connection Luxair <-----> Air Luxor, so has you can imagine some folks in Portugal thought that an Air Luxor jet had an incident, this is just to show how stupid the press can be, instead of searching for some facts for the story no they do this kind of crap
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: Luxembourg
Posts: 2
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Actually the problem was on the steering! The system seems to be quite sensible on EMB145: steering INOP messages are very common!
The problem was that this time there was no message and the steering was INOP when the landing gear came out so the front wheel was not straight as it should have been. The pilot had no chance to notice that!
At touch down, the a/c went right, then the pilot disconnected the INOP steering ! So no guiding was possible and the a/x went straight into the grass. Thats it! No reverse reverse problem or so but more lightly a fussy bug in the steering sofware!!
Info to Duke: Maybe you should follow the evolution in Europe concerning certification and EASA! Then you would probably know that EASA is now responsible through european law to issue AD's and follow the certification of european registered a/c. The surveillance of EMB145 has been delegated by EASA to the JAA. They visibly did not their job because a lot of steering incidents have been reported by a lot of companies on EMB145, but the JAA never took any action on the type certificate holder.
By the way, the event has of course been classified as "Accident".
The problem was that this time there was no message and the steering was INOP when the landing gear came out so the front wheel was not straight as it should have been. The pilot had no chance to notice that!
At touch down, the a/c went right, then the pilot disconnected the INOP steering ! So no guiding was possible and the a/x went straight into the grass. Thats it! No reverse reverse problem or so but more lightly a fussy bug in the steering sofware!!
Info to Duke: Maybe you should follow the evolution in Europe concerning certification and EASA! Then you would probably know that EASA is now responsible through european law to issue AD's and follow the certification of european registered a/c. The surveillance of EMB145 has been delegated by EASA to the JAA. They visibly did not their job because a lot of steering incidents have been reported by a lot of companies on EMB145, but the JAA never took any action on the type certificate holder.
By the way, the event has of course been classified as "Accident".
