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Flying Early Helicopters
Does anyone have any stories about flying early helicopters?
Also, any stories about the training of pilots early in helicopter history and development? |
Define "Early"....some old guys here certainly did....whether they can remember doing it is another question.
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whether they can remember doing it is another question. |
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I wonder how the first pilot managed to fly the first helicopter? Must have been a wild ride. Tethered perhaps?
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I had an instructor some years ago (who many here may recognise) who had flown Corsairs in WW2 with the FAA in the Pacific who was taken off operational flying for reasons I don't need to explain here and was posted to a mysterious course (Lee on Solent maybe?) where he was introduced to a spidery contraption that the FAA had just acquired - the Sikorsky R4. His 'instructor' sent him solo after - iirc - 4hrs, at which time he (the instructor) had 7 hrs rotary time (so he'd commenced training his first stude with 3hrs total rotary time!). I was told this was the second RN helicopter course, the instructor having suffered the first. Autorotation was not a concept back then apparently. They just learned by doing.
How much of this was true and how much embellished I can't say but despite being a wonderful old-school aviator with a wealth of salty dits I rather tend to believe it. JJ was a wonderful instructor. Perhaps someone has the records of those first R4 courses and could corroborate? |
Years ago when I was a member of the Helicopter Museum at Weston Super Mare, I remember reading an account of flying the S51 Dragonfly. It did not have hydraulic boosting (that rotor head was off a Whirlwind…), and the writer described the poor ergonomics: when you lowered the collective, you would be ‘on instruments’ - your face would be pressed against the panel’.
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Originally Posted by Bug
(Post 11957055)
Does anyone have any stories about flying early helicopters?
Also, any stories about the training of pilots early in helicopter history and development? Here is one, about Winkle Brown’s first attempt in 1944. Very similar to #6, meleagertoo’s story. “Wings on My Sleeve”, is Winkle Brown’s autobiography. It’s an absorbing read! . Eric “Winkle” Brown’s first helicopter flight — how he learned (and taught himself) in wartime Britain
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Originally Posted by Bug
(Post 11957055)
Does anyone have any stories about flying early helicopters? Also, any stories about the training of pilots early in helicopter history and development?
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Originally Posted by wrench1
(Post 11957732)
Heres a link to some interesting background on the early Sikorsky model. There are other similar articles in the Archive and external sources if you dig deep enough.
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Hovering for the first time is a revelation to a fixed-wing pilot. The stick and rudder pedals are the same and change the attitude accordingly, so far so good. The collective stick by your side is new but its function intuitive (pull up, you go up and vice versa). The throttle is different: a twist grip like a motorcycle's on the end of the collective. The difference is that on a helicopter with a single main rotor and tail rotor, moving any control requires moving most if not all of the other controls simultaneously to maintain heading, altitude, and position (except for the throttle of a turbine-powered helicopter: the engine's fuel control keeps the rotor rpm constant). Increasing hover height begins with increasing the collective pitch; that requires more throttle and more pedal (which one depends on the direction of rotation of the rotor); the resulting increase in tail rotor thrust counters the increased torque of the main rotor so the heading remains the same but also creates a side force which causes the helicopter to translate sideways; that has to be countered with cyclic, which tilts the rotor disk but that decreases its lift vertically, which has to be countered with more collective, which requires more pedal, etc. Once you get everything back in balance, along comes a gust of wind...
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Originally Posted by DogTailRed2
(Post 11957136)
I wonder how the first pilot managed to fly the first helicopter? Must have been a wild ride. Tethered perhaps?
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Point of Order!
Igor wore a Fedora not a Bowler. Legend has it that anyone who sat in his chair and wore that Fedora never got hurt in a helicopter crash. https://sikorskyarchives.com/igor-sikorskys-fedora/ |
I rather enjoyed Pat Malone's biography of Alan Bristow which covers his wartime conversion on to Sikorsky R-4s, test flying for Westland and early commercial ops selling Hillers, whaling, etc...
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Originally Posted by Tailspin Turtle
(Post 11957831)
Hovering for the first time is a revelation to a fixed-wing pilot. The stick and rudder pedals are the same and change the attitude accordingly, so far so good. The collective stick by your side is new but its function intuitive (pull up, you go up and vice versa). The throttle is different: a twist grip like a motorcycle's on the end of the collective. The difference is that on a helicopter with a single main rotor and tail rotor, moving any control requires moving most if not all of the other controls simultaneously to maintain heading, altitude, and position (except for the throttle of a turbine-powered helicopter: the engine's fuel control keeps the rotor rpm constant). Increasing hover height begins with increasing the collective pitch; that requires more throttle and more pedal (which one depends on the direction of rotation of the rotor); the resulting increase in tail rotor thrust counters the increased torque of the main rotor so the heading remains the same but also creates a side force which causes the helicopter to translate sideways; that has to be countered with cyclic, which tilts the rotor disk but that decreases its lift vertically, which has to be countered with more collective, which requires more pedal, etc. Once you get everything back in balance, along comes a gust of wind...
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Originally Posted by Chock Puller
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.......Legend has it that anyone who sat in his chair and wore that Fedora never got hurt in a helicopter crash. |
I'm embarrassed
Originally Posted by 212man
(Post 11957977)
Is this our first AI response post?
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Originally Posted by Chock Puller
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Point of Order!
Igor wore a Fedora not a Bowler. Legend has it that anyone who sat in his chair and wore that Fedora never got hurt in a helicopter crash. https://sikorskyarchives.com/igor-sikorskys-fedora/ |
Originally Posted by Bug
(Post 11957055)
Does anyone have any stories about flying early helicopters?
VH-3D Marine One - entered service in 1978 In 1957, Sikorsky was awarded a contract to produce an all-weather amphibious helicopter for the US Navy. On 11 March 1959, the first prototype conducted its maiden flight. That is quite a while ago - and very much closer to the first flight of US military helicopters than 2025 https://navalaviationnews.navy.mil/e...le-final-stop/ |
TT's control operation description fairly complete but excludes some interesting 'quirks' e.g.
the Sycamore throttle being transverse rather than longitudinal (muscle memory ?) the Sioux rotor inertia allowing an e o l followed by a lift to low hover and a further e o l. the Mil 8 throttle works in the opposite direction to Western types - Tern Hill QHI 'discovered' this when training a Jordanian student ... in a low level 'computer out' exercise ! :eek: ... as to John Dixson's description of the rear-facing control on the Skycrane :ooh: |
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