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battersea moans
https://www.thelondonspy.co.uk/p/ins...opter-wars-how
if anyone has an account, please post the text of the article, thanks |
Here is most of it: |
Firstly the people that have purchased the flats/apartments that have sprung up over the last decade or so are not short of money themselves, prices for a relatively small apartment can be in the millions. Secondly and more importantly they would all have been aware that there Heliport was there prior to their purchases as it would have come up in their due diligence/local search that is carried out by the lender.
Not related to heliport’s or helipads but there was a case in Surrey(a wealthy London suburb) where people moved to a new high end development in the country and then started complaining to their local council about an adjacent pig farm that had been there for 2 generations. After various complaints and meetings the council suggested that they would have a note attached to the titles of all the properties about the pig farm being a problem for the neighbourhood. The moaning residents suddenly went quiet. Maybe Battersea’s local council should take a leaf out of their book….. |
When I first landed at Battersea heliport back in the late 1970s there was no adjacent residential property, it was all low rise factories. Similar situation on both banks as I recall.
I suggest that those complaining about those able to afford to travel by helicopter would do precisely the same if they could afford to do so. The green eyed monster lives on. As far as vexatious complainers go, we live opposite another example. The slight difference to the Battersea situation is that the female half of our personal complainer couple says that because she’s lived in her house three years longer than we have in ours, it gives her the right to object to many things that we do (we bought the house thirty seven years ago). Her most recent vitriolic and foul mouthed complaint session began when my son very kindly washed his sister’s car on my driveway while they both visited us over Christmas, just before she drove home down to the south. What took us aback most was how they swore and used abusive language and hand gestures at him, in the presence of their only grandchild, after driving past our private property and then drove back to our gate. When I intervened, she called me a peeping Tom and my son a homophobic name and made xenophobic threats. Yet we are as local as they are. I digress. The heliport is a national asset and used by all sorts of people, including military, police, other government agencies and medevac/casevac helicopters. Without the “full fare paying” customers, the asset would soon become financially unviable for the operator, to the detriment of all concerned. |
It's only been there for 66 years... and when first opened was immediately surrounded by industrial premises with very few dwellings within a few hundred yards.
I wonder what Mr Farrand would have made of the Rotordyne... |
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It’s like the people who move to Mid Sussex and then complain about the noise of aircraft leaving or landing at LGW. What do they expect?
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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...licopters.html
every uk airfield seems to have their regular "moaners". although i do have sympathy for people who move next to an airfield that has a few movements per month, then over time that increases to hundreds of movements, plus noisy helicopters etc |
Originally Posted by hargreaves99
(Post 11890685)
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...licopters.html
every uk airfield seems to have their regular "moaners". although i do have sympathy for people who move next to an airfield that has a few movements per month, then over time that increases to hundreds of movements, plus noisy helicopters etc |
When Middle Wallop was at its busiest (a lot of aircraft movements day and night) the local estate agents would wait until Summer block leave, when the place was empty for several weeks, to sell houses in the vicinity.
I still wonder how many outraged owners there were when they realised they had bought next to a very busy airfield by mistake:) |
Originally Posted by [email protected]
(Post 11890816)
When Middle Wallop was at its busiest (a lot of aircraft movements day and night) the local estate agents would wait until Summer block leave, when the place was empty for several weeks, to sell houses in the vicinity.
I still wonder how many outraged owners there were when they realised they had bought next to a very busy airfield by mistake:) Her demands that “it has to stop” were not met. Source: talking at lunch that day to the holding officer in station ops who had taken the phone call. |
Just to correct The London Spy, I heard that the inaugural meeting of the London Heliport Consultative Group took place on 5th December 2006......not 2015 as stated. Quite a lot of earache since then I expect!
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The RAAF's main jet training base at Pearce, WA, was way out in the boonies and bothered nobody.
Then in 1978 a developer bought the farm next to the main runway and started putting in infrastructure. He came to the School one day and said "I am having a big sales day on Saturday, can you please not be flying that day?" Staff meeting, and Friday's flying moved to Saturday, with the requirement to perform at least one low-level circuit, flaps out and lots of power, over the land sale, for each sortie. But still, people bought, built, and then complained. Stoopid is as stoopid does. |
I well recall Westland’s noise expert (Tony Pike, who earned my total respect) years ago neatly summarising all the considerable research into air/heliport noise as:
1. The volume of complaints is directly proportional to the price of the adjacent houses. 2. The only way to mitigate is to involve the neighbours. I’m still amazed that London City was built at all; I believe it was achieved in large part by neighbourly involvement such as giving jobs at the airport only to locals. I fear it is too late for Mr Farrand, but the message is to cuddle the complainers early and consistently, not to flounce out |
Offer free rides to the kids, money well spent :)
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Originally Posted by Manchester
(Post 11891465)
I well recall Westland’s noise expert (Tony Pike, who earned my total respect) years ago neatly summarising all the considerable research into air/heliport noise as:
1. The volume of complaints is directly proportional to the price of the adjacent houses. 2. The only way to mitigate is to involve the neighbours. I’m still amazed that London City was built at all; I believe it was achieved in large part by neighbourly involvement such as giving jobs at the airport only to locals. Proposal and construction [from Wiki] The airport was first proposed in 1981 by Reg Ward, who was Chief Executive of the newly formed London Docklands Development Corporation (LDDC) that was responsible for the regeneration of the area. He in turn discussed the proposal with chairman of John Mowlem & Co Sir Philip Beck and the idea of an airport for Docklands was born. By November of that year Mowlem and Bill Bryce of Brymon Airways had submitted an outline proposal to the LDDC for a Docklands STOLport city centre gateway.[11] On 27 June 1982 Brymon's Captain Harry Gee landed a de Havilland Canada Dash 7 turboprop aircraft on Heron Quays, in the nearby West India Docks, in order to demonstrate the feasibility of the STOLport project. Later that year the LDDC published a feasibility study, an opinion poll amongst local residents showed a majority in favour of the development of the airport, and Mowlem submitted an application for planning permission. Docklands was waste ground at that time - it was a 'Build it and they will come' project The St Katharine Dock complex was still a building project at that time - and Westerly departures turn well to the east climbing Construction began on the site shortly after permission was granted, with Charles, Prince of Wales laying the foundation stone of the terminal building, designed by R Seifert and Partners, on 2 May 1986. The first aircraft landed on 31 May 1987, with the first commercial services operating from 26 October 1987. Queen Elizabeth II officially opened London City Airport in November of the same year.[11] I fear it is too late for Mr Farrand, but the message is to cuddle the complainers early and consistently, not to flounce out Fun Fact The British gangster movie - The Long Good Friday - was filmed in the area in 1979/1980 on the site of the runway - Bob Hoskins - a man who hated Thatcher and Hesleltine - but was proved to be very wrong about the general Docklands plans |
Originally Posted by Petit-Lion
(Post 11891501)
Offer free rides to the kids, money well spent :)
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As chairperson of the VAI, (formerly HAI), Fly Neighborly Working Group, there are many ways to help the situation.
1. Teach pilots to “fly neighborly”. There is a loud way and a quieter way to make an approach. 2. Teach businesses to handle the noise complaints in a proper fashion. 3. Show businesses how they can help the community accept the helicopter operators—this does involve school visits and the like. Remember, the complainers are not going away—the sooner you embrace them, listen to them, (half the time that is all they want), and be honest with them in a professional manner the better. There are many resources out there and available to operators and pilots. One might start here: https://verticalavi.org/initiatives/fly-neighborly/ I will attempt to post more and answer questions, however may be otherwise engaged the next 2 weeks. |
Agreeing with Gordy above. Perhaps also quieter machines will evolve. (Drone-like?)
As a resident of that general area, I find the noisiest helicopters to be those that hover or circle, seemingly endlessly, be they mass media or police, etc., and not so much those in the fast lanes darting straight in and out. |
Battersea has embraced a “fly neighbourly” mantra for many decades. Pilots are not even allowed to use the heliport unless they have had an individual ATC briefing on the place, which has to be signed for on completion.
Unfortunately, ongoing planning applications have seemingly never taken into account objection inputs from the heliport owners and permissions for an increasing number high rise buildings have been allowed immediately adjacent to the only possible flight paths (which are both over the river Thames for those not familiar). Paradoxically, these buildings must reflect and concentrate helicopter noise, exacerbating the problem. It’s worth re-emphasising the fact that Battersea Heliport is the only licensed landing site anywhere near the centre of London. |
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