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I wonder if the tail rotor detached causing the spin, resulting the following unplanned disassembly.
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Looks like mechanical issue causing gearbox/rotors to detach, or possibly low-g/abrupt control input scenario. All purely speculation of course.
What a terrible incident. |
The loss of a T/R gearbox will also cause a large cg shift and nose-down pitch - the pilot might pull back to correct it and there goes the mast bump?
We lost a Huey in 1981 when a T/R blade separated, the unbalanced gearbox came out, fuselage yaw, pitch and roll, mast bump, rotor separation, blade came through the left cockpit, took off the tailboom, and all in freefall. |
PLEASE READ THE THREAD BEFORE COMMENTING. Chances are, your thoughts have already been commented by someone already.
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Whatever caused the tail to separate would have been felt by the pilot as a TR failure and we would all at that stage dump the lever - any cyclic input would likely be to try to keep speed (he won't have known the tail boom was completely gone) but he would have had zero directional control.
You can't simulate this type of failure and any control inputs the pilot made would have been fruitless. What cause the separation of the MR and what looks like the top of the MRGB from the fuselage? Who knows, but in that condition the stresses must have been very high and any weaknesses in the transmission system would have been pushed to breaking point. From the point of tail boom separation the chances of a good outcome are vanishingly small. RIP. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
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Perhaps, since this is the rotary section, enthusiasts and non-pilots could just keep quiet, since this is not facebook, and it is challenging reading such drivel from some people who clearly have no clue about helicopters.
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Originally Posted by bluesideoops
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Could a gearbox failure stop the tailrotor causing a massive uncontrollable yaw to the left? (any B206 pilots can confirm this?).
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Plenty of drivel and focus upon a single cause none of which is based upon any ascertainable fact(s).
However there is a gem of insight that serves to set the wagon back upright upon its wheels. Yaw to the left with loss of drive to the tail rotor in the 206? The rest of you need to get back into the books and RFM for the aircraft you are flying (American versions and not the French or Russian versions). |
Many comments down the Reddit post, someone has produced a zoomed-in version of the video which shows the whole accident. I'm too new to post URLs, but it's address is streamable dot com slash 56ttmc.
11 seconds into that, it seems to show a kink/break happen in the tail boom, which is prior to the uncontrolled yaw that happens immediately after. The images are obviously very grainy, however. |
Who the hell is this clown commenting for the UK Sun?
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Originally Posted by BigMike
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Who the hell is this clown commenting for the UK Sun?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rh-SAy...cJCX4JAYcqIYzv |
Who the hell is this clown commenting for the UK Sun? |
Originally Posted by BigMike
(Post 11864718)
Who the hell is this clown commenting for the UK Sun?
https://uk.linkedin.com/in/julian-bray-515405258 |
Originally Posted by BigMike
(Post 11864718)
Who the hell is this clown commenting for the UK Sun?
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Although the image is grainy, it seems much more like yaw right than yaw left which would be consistent with a tail rotor/boom/drive failure on a US rotation rotor system.
After that with no directional control, survivability is unlikely - a vertical auto, if achieved would be difficult to maintain and assessing the height at the bottom to cushion the water entry would be nigh on impossible. |
Very Terrible! No chance!
My “Guess” is that the Transmission/Nodamatic mounts broke and off it flew causing the other damage. PS: I have over 20,000 helicopter hours on 13 different types, including the 206L. |
It would be interesting to see the maintenance log, any corrosion related work and if there was any previous accident history.
Such a horrible tragedy, and little they could do to change the outcome. What was supposed to be wonderful family trip and it ends like this. |
Originally Posted by Good Vibs
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My “Guess” is that the Transmission/Nodamatic mounts broke and off it flew causing the other damage..
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This is the part they will be looking for. If the link assembly of the nodal beam system breaks you are in a spot of bother.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....ced6547047.png |
First thing that came to my mind when watching the video was this incident from 2003…
https://asn.flightsafety.org/wikibase/188940 RiP Ian (Shoo), Neville and James. Eyewitnesses heard unusual noises coming from the helicopter before the tail boom apparently folded forward around the cabin. The helicopter then fell to the ground, catching fire on impact. All three occupants received fatal injuries. Examination showed that the two gearboxes and the main rotor had detached before impact. |
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