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chevvron 26th September 2025 11:35


Originally Posted by JagRigger (Post 11959887)
I see Spain has just ordered H175

Produced in China?
Just think of all the little 'extras' that will built into them.

Teetering_Head 26th September 2025 12:33


Originally Posted by casper64 (Post 11959915)
A bit surprised as it was stated here all was finished and successfull:
https://armyrecognition.com/news/aer...guided-rockets

If you read between the lines from all the marketing guff it's all really the technology of the already proven hellfire and missile systems, the missile can hit the target but very unlikely they are going to admit the airframe received damage in the process lol.

Northernstar 26th September 2025 12:35


Originally Posted by JagRigger (Post 11959887)
I see Spain has just ordered H175

A very nice VIP chariot for the King. The H175 has seen success in the offshore market where it is very popular with passengers and there have been VIP airframes on superyachts, maybe still one now. I think an ex CHC offshore or SAR pilot flew one for a while.
Given they are built in Albecete then a good choice for a quasi civilian role.

Scorpygixxer 26th September 2025 14:51


Originally Posted by Teetering_Head (Post 11960052)
If you read between the lines from all the marketing guff it's all really the technology of the already proven hellfire and missile systems, the missile can hit the target but very unlikely they are going to admit the airframe received damage in the process lol.

All is not a you seem to imagine it.

Blackhawk9 27th September 2025 01:57

Makes me laugh, 149 like the 175 trying to turn a pigs arse into a silk purse, both civilian machines only one able to do all the multi roles including gunship is the Black Hawk but we all know the politics won't let that happen, I would sooner be in a Combat zone in a 332/225 rather than a 149 or 175 if I can't have a BH, the latest and greatest is definitely not the best.

Mee3 27th September 2025 04:34


Originally Posted by chevvron (Post 11960022)
Produced in China?
Just think of all the little 'extras' that will built into them.

its not build in china if that's what you are about

JulieAndrews 27th September 2025 15:02

I see Airbus are pushing the sale as first to European Mil operator - even though it is not a military version and not a military role - unless the pax are wearing camo!!

212man 27th September 2025 15:19


Originally Posted by JulieAndrews (Post 11960623)
I see Airbus are pushing the sale as first to European Mil operator - even though it is not a military version and not a military role - unless the pax are wearing camo!!

I can’t find any press release on the Airbus news page. But most sources, including Janes, are saying they’re M versions. You’re second point is clearly valid.

Mee3 27th September 2025 15:41


Originally Posted by JulieAndrews (Post 11960623)
I see Airbus are pushing the sale as first to European Mil operator - even though it is not a military version and not a military role - unless the pax are wearing camo!!

every type is a thin wall tube until it is being armoured isn't it?

JulieAndrews 29th September 2025 07:07


Originally Posted by Mee3 (Post 11960650)
every type is a thin wall tube until it is being armoured isn't it?

Wouldn’t it be easy if you could make a military helicopter just by sticking armour on?
it goes a bit deeper than that ;-)

JulieAndrews 29th September 2025 07:11


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11960634)
I can’t find any press release on the Airbus news page. But most sources, including Janes, are saying they’re M versions. You’re second point is clearly valid.

Joe is can be directed, directly ;-)

Mee3 29th September 2025 14:14

vs contemporary cutting edge mil chopper, yes. vs 50 years old design, no.

helispotter 29th September 2025 19:14


Originally Posted by Teetering_Head (Post 11960052)
If you read between the lines from all the marketing guff it's all really the technology of the already proven hellfire and missile systems, the missile can hit the target but very unlikely they are going to admit the airframe received damage in the process lol.

What was the nature of the airframe damage? This bit in the article didn't inspire me: "One of the highlights involved a Hellfire missile fired from the helicopter’s right pylon to strike a target located several dozen degrees off-axis to the left, showcasing the missile's superior targeting and course correction capabilities".

pr00ne 30th September 2025 10:01

It is replacing the Puma, which NEVER carried rockets of any kind.....

chevvron 30th September 2025 10:12


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 11961963)
It is replacing the Puma, which NEVER carried rockets of any kind.....

I think it had a door mounted LMG in some roles.

212man 30th September 2025 11:08


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 11961963)
It is replacing the Puma, which NEVER carried rockets of any kind.....

Not in the RAF, but other Air Forces are available to chose from.....

The H225M (old 725....) certainly has them as an option:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1217411c08.png

casper64 30th September 2025 22:09


Originally Posted by 212man (Post 11962000)
Not in the RAF, but other Air Forces are available to chose from.....

The H225M (old 725....) certainly has them as an option:
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1217411c08.png

Even some really big ones!:
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....13070c1045.jpg

JulieAndrews 7th October 2025 08:11


Originally Posted by Mee3 (Post 11961553)
vs contemporary cutting edge mil chopper, yes. vs 50 years old design, no.

You funny - what part of the painted O&G machines is ‘contemporary cutting edge mil chopper’ ?🤣🤣
there is nothing ‘cutting edge’ - but there are lots of areas where they still fail to surpass a ‘50 year old design’…..go figure

JulieAndrews 7th October 2025 08:13


Originally Posted by pr00ne (Post 11961963)
It is replacing the Puma, which NEVER carried rockets of any kind.....

Did you read the NMH spec - it called for various rocket/missile/gun fits……and NMH was meant to replace not just the Puma.

Mee3 7th October 2025 14:24


Originally Posted by JulieAndrews (Post 11965840)
You funny - what part of the painted O&G machines is ‘contemporary cutting edge mil chopper’ ?🤣🤣
there is nothing ‘cutting edge’ - but there are lots of areas where they still fail to surpass a ‘50 year old design’…..go figure

I figure you just like the BH dearly. Good for you.


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