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industry insider 29th March 2019 23:18

Bristow Wrong Deck Landing
 
https://www.energyvoice.com/oilandga...-sea-platform/

There is usually a systemic cause for this. 40s platforms look very alike (or did in the 80s)

Don’t scapegoat the crew, Bristow.

malabo 29th March 2019 23:33

Why the AAIB, somebody die? Wrong deck landings are the fodder that has kept legions of SMS “experts” at both oil companies and operators gainfully employed. So far, all recommendations have either had a serious economic impact not supported by any less hazard, or introduced other more significant risks.

Nigel Osborn 30th March 2019 01:29

In the 70s we lived on the Forties Field using a Bolkow for mainly inter platform changing. The rigs are similar & at night or in poor weather it was hard to see the platform. The Doppler often would drop off line on those short legs & so the procedure was to call on final & get a positive landing clearance. The system worked well as I must have done well over 10000 landings without a problem, sometimes 120 a day or night but I can see how easy it could be to land on the wrong platform. I feel sorry for that crew as I'm sure that dung will come their way!

the coyote 30th March 2019 03:02

No one is immune from human error. Those that have, and those that will if they do it for long enough.

John Eacott 30th March 2019 07:09

Quotes are from the Unions: does that tell you anything? :hmm: :rolleyes:


Jake Molloy, regional organiser of the RMT Union said: “This is astonishing.

“I was of the understanding that systems and procedures were put in place some time ago to ensure this kind of event couldn’t happen, again.

“It seems we introduce systems to address failures that have the potential for a major incident, then after a period of time those systems are forgotten.

“You have to question how learnings from previous events of this nature are lost.”

John Boland, regional officer at the Unite union said: “It’s very concerning. These pilots are very experienced and you would expect that they are landing on the correct platform.

“The concern is if the platform wasn’t actually ready for the helicopter landing, and there were operations going on, that could have been a much more serious situation.”
Could have, may have :ugh:

Nigel may remember that allied to the Decca dropouts many NS facilities had the same NDB frequency back in the 70s; that was fun ;)



But I feel for the crew on this occasion, they are could well become scapegoats for something deeper than a misident. Dusseldorf/Aberdeen anyone?

Fareastdriver 30th March 2019 08:24

Maybe they fed the platforms in to the FMS in the wrong order.

'That must be the right platform, the autopilot has lined us up on it'.

On my very first line training trip way back in 1978 on the Ekofisk my highly experienced training captain demonstrated how to land on the wrong deck.

76fan 30th March 2019 09:44

Ah those were the days ...... my first Bristow sortie as a three ring (i.e. not IFR rated) PiC in a S61N early February 1977 ..... early first Aberdeen-Forties flight of the day, dark, weather marginal and still probably shirtsleeve pre-goonsuit era. Completed the multi-platform shuttle using a print out of the four Forties platforms which thankfully had the bearing and distance of each from the other(s). 200ft transit back and crept back visually via the Don and Aberdeen flats nearly three hours later. Second Forties shuttle flight in the afternoon in better weather lasting nearly three and a half hours. One of those days that sticks in the memory.

Looking at Flight Tracker it appears to be a Monday to Friday job now, with wonderful anti-icing and great pay ..... how things have changed!

dustycraphopper 30th March 2019 09:52

Hit the nail on the head Malabo

These things happen , nobody got hurt did they , learn from it - review the procedures ( but only if need be ) and move on .

You can bet some will make a meal out of it and go the full 5 courses and not just a quick snack

tu154 30th March 2019 09:58

Wrong deck landings still happen at a decent rate, I’d guess at least one per year. Some make the headlines, many don’t. The AAIB get involved as it’s normally classed as a serious incident in their terms, at least initially until investigated.

Normally a good test of an operator’s just culture. Many reasons for it to happen, many human factors related, but often organisational too. Some days it all lines up and nothing in the world can break in to convince you that it’s not the right deck. Feel for the crew. An unhappy place to be.

SASless 30th March 2019 11:39

Even a Monkey falls out of a tree every now and then!

If the Decks are well marked with the name of the rig/platform.....I can see an approach to the wrong landing spot....but not a landing.

Does the Company SOP require a positive acknowledgement between the Crew confirming the name of the intended landing spot.....by name before touchdown?

One thing for sure.....without a single word being said to the crew by anyone.....these two Pilots shall never land at the wrong Platform again....ever!

The real question is.....which one of their detractors will be the next one to get their names in the newspapers for doing the exact same thing?

Prawn2king4 30th March 2019 13:01

I've landed on the wrong deck during a local shuttle in bad weather. Embarrassing - and it cost me a few beers in the pub that evening. I've also landed at Edinburgh a few times, but I think that was the correct airport.

PANews 30th March 2019 13:25

Something in the water that day..... it was apparently the same day as BA flew an airliner full of people heading for Germany to Edinburgh.....

DOUBLE BOGEY 30th March 2019 14:40

I nearly did it. In my case a change of sequence in planning stage and a failure for my brain to comply. Programmed the NAV. Flew to what in my mind was the correct deck. Made a call for deck landing and the "correct" deck answered. Frantic check of paperwork and OOOPS nearly did it.
We should read the label on the deck but sometimes something takes our concentration away form that requirement onto something more pressing and if all the stars have aligned, it happens.
For many years the most pragmatic solution has been the RED Lights ON indicating deck unavailable and GREEN Lights ON for available. That may solve the problem.....but who's going to pay for it???

Hope the crew are OK and yes, if they don't suffer "Sharia" Law, the Commander wont make that mistake again.

212man 30th March 2019 15:49

I understand how easy it is for this to happen and make no comments about the crew. However, the idea that landing on a platform that may have active crane operations underway, may be in radio silence, may have lose objects on or close to the deck (and down wash) and has no fire or rescue cover, to be a perfectly ok non-event that ‘just happens and what’s the problem?’ is concerning. Particularly as many who espouse this sentiment appear to be current offshore pilots!

SASless 30th March 2019 18:47

20 SEP 2014.....212Man posted here in Rotorheads in a thread about two pilots being suspended for landing on the wrong deck.....saying:

"I can also recall, as I suspect FED can, a tall ex RMP senior line training captain, on hearing of a wrong deck landing, saying loudly in the flight planning room that he would resign if he ever he did the same. Cue a few weekends later and a management trip to play golf. Wrong golf course -
does that count?".
"FED" was referring to FarEastDriver as I recall.


We have had this conversation before here at Rotorheads.....as this is not the only time or only Crew that has fetched up on the wrong landing site.

The good news for them is it shall happen again by other experienced and trained crews.

The key is to figure out what happened and see if there is a way to fill in that particular cheese hole.


Nescafe 30th March 2019 19:22

There’s those that have, and there’s those that will.

Apate 30th March 2019 21:26


Originally Posted by Nescafe (Post 10434506)
There’s those that have, and there’s those that will.

And there's those that have retired, but still produce more responses on PPRuNe than those still flying :}

SASless 30th March 2019 22:09

That is very true.....but from all the experience gained over a long career flying helicopters.....there is an information base that allows for a reasoned response.

We all learn from others....even the most junior bird man (or bird person) can offer up some wisdom now and then....even if it is in the form of generating a thought in others along the lines of..... "I darn sure do not care to add that to my bag of tricks!".

XA290 30th March 2019 23:01

I'm not sure about the wrong golf course story but I recall in the early 90s, there had been a spate of wrong deck landings. The very senior (probably the same one as the golf course story) actually put a memo on the ops room notice board stating that the next person to land on the wrong rig would seriously have their career prospects interfered with.

The following week, he landed on the wrong rig. However, to his credit, he did replace the original memo with a somewhat contrite version and acknowledged that it could happen to anyone.

I seem to recall he was a keen golfer so there may be some truth in the story above.


Saint Jack 31st March 2019 05:18

Yup, it does happen. I remember back in the mid/late 1970's in the Persian Gulf when a helicopter almost landed on the wrong platform, the pilot realised it was the wrong platform when he came very close to landing on top of a 212, piloted by the late John Harrison, who was already sitting there turning and burning.

Fareastdriver 31st March 2019 09:13

Annual British Petroleum/Bristow Helicopters Golf Outing.

Perth Golf Club is going to be the venue so a Bristow Tiger is loaded and off they go. A courtesy call to Perth airfield before landing at the course.
"I hope you can find it; we're socked in with fog."

Having failed to check the weather at their destination they were forced to turn back to Aberdeen. There they bundled the BP boys into the passenger lounge and searched for another gold course. Nairn was prepared to accept them so passengers rebriefed and off they went.

Arrive at Nairn, espy the course and there is a big crowd awaiting them so they land on a clear stretch of grass by the clubhouse. No 2 goes out to check that it is OK to shut down there to be met by irate club secretary: They had arrived in the middle of their monthly medals tournament.

Wrong golf course.

The second time was lucky and the day progressed but a little bit more rushed than planned.

When they arrived back at Aberdeen the rumour goes that BP were highly unimpressed. Next time the Forties contract renewal came up Bristow lost it.

industry insider 31st March 2019 09:38


Next time the Forties contract renewal came up Bristow lost it.
If this happened in the 70s, it must have been a long contract, we were still flying to the 40s in 1984 before I left Aberdeen.

S92PAX 31st March 2019 09:52

The Hutton and North West Hutton were often mixed up. I landed on the wrong one a couple of times in the late eighties and we received a few errent landings too in that period. Most of the time there is little consequence but it is important that we guard against those occasions where the loss of life is possible and not dismiss it as one of thise things

212man 31st March 2019 12:44

The golf course incident I was referring to was a Tiger, as that was what BB was flying at that time (around 1992). I don’t recall the details of which courses were involved.

Fareastdriver 31st March 2019 12:50

It probably was a Tiger. The one I went on was in a S61 which was a bit before then.

EESDL 31st March 2019 15:46

Worrying to read of a certain attitude towards wrong landings.
Make no mistake, landing on the wrong deck is a major incident and exposes various failings.

SASless 31st March 2019 16:00

Care to tell us why you think these things happen to well trained and experienced crews?

What JuJu works to line up all those holes in the Cheese that lets landing on the wrong deck happen?


OvertHawk 31st March 2019 17:56


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10435063)
Care to tell us why you think these things happen to well trained and experienced crews?

What JuJu works to line up all those holes in the Cheese that lets landing on the wrong deck happen?

Because human beings are fallible and when you build platforms that look very similar close together, give them similar sounding names and then ask pilots to fly multiple sectors to them (more often than not under circumstances that are likely to induce fatigue and often worrying about the latest round of redundancies too) you are creating a situation where mistakes can occur.

It's been happening for as long a pilots have been landing on oil rigs.

It has serious potential dangers as listed by others.

Technological mitigations exist, such as red wave off lights / green deck clear lights but oil companies will not pay for these (Although safety is their number one priority) and operators won't insist because they are in a perpetual contract negotiation merry-go-round.

OH

helonorth 31st March 2019 18:04


Originally Posted by EESDL (Post 10435052)
Worrying to read of a certain attitude towards wrong landings.
Make no mistake, landing on the wrong deck is a major incident and exposes various failings.

Various failings? Maybe. Major incident? Hardly.

JerryG 31st March 2019 20:42

Grand Prix, Brands Hatch, mid 80's.
Happy to have got Nelson Piquet safely home after his win, but beginning to get tired after several hours of shuttling the great unwashed out of the circuit.
Another take off, including the multiple near-misses that were so much a part of GP shuttles in those days.
Reached cruise height, breathed out for the first time in over two minutes, and realized I had absolutely no clue which of the three shuttle sites I was supposed to be going to on this rotation.
Turned to the cabin and nonchalantly asked "Ummm, just checking that you're all going to Biggin?"
Small fracas breaks out in the cabin.
Resolved by doing a round-robin to all three sites until the cabin was empty.
Problem solved!

P2bleed 1st April 2019 07:09

Having been at the front end for more than a few years and like many nearly involved in the same drama I have suggested in the past that the HLO gets more involved and only clears the aircraft to land when he sees it on final.



In past investigations the HLO’s have stated that they have observed the helicopter landing on the wrong facility but did not make any comments!

EESDL 1st April 2019 09:32

Of course you are correct - we are not talking 'Piper Alpha'-type major incident - but in an environment where everything is meant to be so closely monitored, controlled and carefully planned? For an aircraft to turn up on a rig uninvited is one thing, but to continue to land I would consider a 'major incident' in pilot CRM-aspect assessment of risk and breakdown of procedures.
My apologies, I did not want you to get too excited ;-)
I suspect that over-familiarity and slacking of procedures can be held responsible here - waiver following: This is merely a rumour forum and I have not the foggiest why it happened as I am fortunate to be many miles away from the scene and happy to take a calculated guess as no injuries, just pride :-)

SASless 1st April 2019 13:39

For the cost of a Green Rotating Beacon on or adjacent to the Helideck....and the direct involvement of the HLO to turn it ON at the deck edge...signifying the Deck is ready to receive Aircraft......the problem could be solved.

The failure mode....no light ON....would signify a fouled deck and landing not allowed.....unless directely instructed to do so by the HLO of the Deck immediately prior to landing by the aircraft after visually sighting the aircraft.

That would allow for a failure or the rotating beacon for some reason but would require direct radio communication between the HLO and the aircraft and visual identification of the landing aircraft.

Or am I thinking all wrong here?

Bravo73 1st April 2019 17:05

All good ideas, Mr S.

That system wouldn’t work for NUIs though.

Fareastdriver 1st April 2019 18:09


For the cost of a Green Rotating Beacon on or adjacent to the Helideck
Not being any sort of expert of International Maritime Law but is it possible that a marine object can only display red/green lights for navigational purposes?

PlasticCabDriver 1st April 2019 18:48


Originally Posted by SASless (Post 10435797)
For the cost of a Green Rotating Beacon on or adjacent to the Helideck....and the direct involvement of the HLO to turn it ON at the deck edge...signifying the Deck is ready to receive Aircraft......the problem could be solved.

The failure mode....no light ON....would signify a fouled deck and landing not allowed.....unless directely instructed to do so by the HLO of the Deck immediately prior to landing by the aircraft after visually sighting the aircraft.

That would allow for a failure or the rotating beacon for some reason but would require direct radio communication between the HLO and the aircraft and visual identification of the landing aircraft.

Or am I thinking all wrong here?

Not all wrong at all. Or even dual mode deck lighting: red & green. Either the deck edge lights, the central H lighting, or both. Lights would sit routinely at red, when the HLO is happy to receive the aircraft, he switches them to green. "Deck available, lights are green". If the deck the crew is looking at still has red lights, something's gone wrong!

Once the aircraft has lifted and is away, back to red they go.

Can't be that difficult shurely?

SASless 1st April 2019 19:48

FED, Steady Red , Green and White (or combinations of those colors) for nautical navigation lights....thus the rotating beacon.....or strobes.

No expert but Submarines use a flashing Amber Light when surfaced as I recall.


32 CFR § 707.7 - Submarine identification light.
§ 707.7 Submarine identification light.Submarines may display, as a distinctive means of identification, an intermittent flashing amber beacon with a sequence of operation of one flash per second for three (3) seconds followed by a three (3) second off-period. The light will be located where it can best be seen, as near as practicable, all around the horizon. It shall not be located less than two (2) feet above or below the masthead lights.

NRDK 1st April 2019 20:46

My biggest bug bear is installations failing to have big bold names displayed at appropriate positions. Globally this is the case and the deck shouldn't get certified unless the operator does so. That would make the issue clear to all, including the muppets on short finals to land who can't follow the route plan or navigate for toffee.

he1iaviator 4th April 2019 14:26

AIS
 
Why don't all offshore helicopters have AIS receivers (tx not needed) with the rig identification displayed alongside the radar or nav display target? Almost all offshore installations, ships and boats transmit their identification and position. Receiving and displaying this in a modern helicopter should not be beyond the wit of man!

helicrazi 4th April 2019 14:36

Because we have a radar with waypoints transposed over the display showing which rig corresponds to each return. Assuming they are rigs. Returns we don't recognise are usually standby vessels, fishing boats etc.

I guess ais would show what the unknown returns are, but I don't personally see the benefit or have ever though 'if only we had an ais display right now'


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