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heli kiwi 30th July 2016 22:37

Looks like urea to me. A lot lighter than super. Hard to overload unless you have a big bucket or hungry sides fitted.

The scales are electric so not affected by atmospheric pressure.

In my experience loader drivers are blissfully unaware of aircraft MAUW. They just put in the load the pilot asks for.

newfieboy 31st July 2016 00:37

18roll,
Mate are you a pilot or just trolling. In my nearly 30 years flying both semi-rigid, fully articulated and rigid turbines but never having flown an R44, be bit surprised if you can get Ground Resonance in a Robbie, or any semi-rigid system. Hey Ho, every day a schoolday! Matter of fact going spraying next tour in an Astar, quite susceptible to ground resonance, never had ground resonance once in quite a few years, landing on a raised deck and using electronic calibrated equipment to weigh and measure loads. So no effect Also the odd downwind approach and landing when empty and light, again no effect on equipment.:ugh:

18rollvaluepack 31st July 2016 02:15

It's the R44s inverted flight tanks which cause the ground resonance and because of its LTS tail construction it is more susceptible to tail wind conditions,this tail cone construction causes an accerated mass flow down through the advancing side of the rotor disc(similar to a convergent duct effect)creating a increase in velocity and decrease in pressure.this phenomenon would effect the surrounding air pressure substantially.The Astar does not suffer from these flight conditions because of its clockwise main rotor rotation.

Hot and Hi 31st July 2016 09:14

Just to make sure, in case a studious Googlenaut ever gets directed to these pages, that the polite silence of the PPRUNE community in light of your deliberations, 18roll, must not be interpreted as sign of approval.

Chief Skid Biter 31st July 2016 09:23

18 roll - the machine is nowhere close to the loader/scales when the shot of the weight is shown the loader driver hadnt even caught the bucket so I dont see how that could affect the weight of the load

18rollvaluepack 31st July 2016 09:35


Originally Posted by Hot and Hi (Post 9457122)
Just to make sure, in case a studious Googlenaut ever gets directed to these pages, that the polite silence of the PPRUNE community in light of your deliberations, 18roll, must not be interpreted as sign of approval.

https://youtu.be/KUWhjjfOFec

EMS R22 31st July 2016 10:27

18roll you truly have a grasp on the complex operating procedures of a double cab Robinson on agricultural ops.

My theory is the scales were under reading by 100kgs......

[email protected] 31st July 2016 11:28

18rollvaluepack - I have read some !!!!!e on these pages but your post #23 really takes the biscuit!

newfieboy 31st July 2016 15:54

crab,
His/her post #20 bout the same........

Jelico 31st July 2016 21:16

18 roll - post of the year x2. Gold

krypton_john 1st August 2016 00:35

Don't feed the troll...

heli kiwi 1st August 2016 01:32

Guys just remember the water flows the other way around the bowl down here. Might have something to do with it.

maddmatt 1st August 2016 11:20

R44's do not suffer with GR BUT they do suffer from the Robbie Wobble, the tail can get in to a significant "wobble" on start up and shut down, I recently flew a 44 where I thought something had come off it was wobbling so badly.

18rollvaluepack 1st August 2016 23:28

Fix YouTube link
 

Originally Posted by maddmatt (Post 9458142)
R44's do not suffer with GR BUT they do suffer from the Robbie Wobble, the tail can get in to a significant "wobble" on start up and shut down, I recently flew a 44 where I thought something had come off it was wobbling so badly.




https://youtu.be/xX0mhZhkvZQ

Bell_ringer 2nd August 2016 08:40

@18rollsOfTriplePly, sometimes it's best to quit while you are ahead, or in this case behind (no pun intended) :E

EMS R22 5th August 2016 09:58

18roll best banter I have seen on here for a while.Keep up the good work.

Arm out the window 8th August 2016 05:09

Off track slightly but still talking about overloaded R44s, I've been looking for a web video of a 44, somewhere in eastern Europe I believe (?) where a rather large gent gets strapped in the front seat of a 44 for a scenic flight.
The machine gets airborne and is immediately and clearly trying to fly with the C of G well forward of where it ought to be. They stagger around in a partially controlled hover taxi for a short time before the pilot plonks it down in a building site straddling a few courses of masonry blocks and no doubt doing some damage.
To top it off, the ground crew come running over to unload the passenger and the pilot gets airborne without so much as a look over the aircraft.
If anyone has a link to that it would be appreciated. Cheers.

CRAN 8th August 2016 12:04

I've seen it
 
I'm sure it's been posted on here before; I can picture the video and I'm sure I saw it here.

Is it in the videos thread?

Chief Skid Biter 11th September 2016 07:16

I hear through the grape vine that the CAA have caught up with these guys and are doing a bit of open investigating. Could been an interesting out come

Whipitwide 21st September 2016 06:51

does anyone know the guy who posted the video


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