Overload R44
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Overload R44
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Hmm, Raven I?
330kg plus pilot say 80kg plus say half a tank 40kg + empty weight 655kg... 1105kg all up v max gross 1089... Oops. I guess it comes down to how fat the pilot is and how lean the fuel load.
Raven II ? 330+80+40+680=1130 v MAUW 1134 no worries can put in another gallon!
330kg plus pilot say 80kg plus say half a tank 40kg + empty weight 655kg... 1105kg all up v max gross 1089... Oops. I guess it comes down to how fat the pilot is and how lean the fuel load.
Raven II ? 330+80+40+680=1130 v MAUW 1134 no worries can put in another gallon!
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Oops - I thought the 330kg was the loaded bucket on a scale looking at it again I see it is the measured dose! :-O
Makes me wonder if there was a miscommunication - "give me 330kg" intended as a slung load but interpreted as a delivery of fert.
Makes me wonder if there was a miscommunication - "give me 330kg" intended as a slung load but interpreted as a delivery of fert.
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Hold on a mo people! , have a think outside the square here.Why would an employee post such an incriminating video about the company they work for? Maybe they are a FORMER employee now. Does the fert bucket really weigh 90 kgs, only their word. Have the scales been manipulated for the purposes of the video, the helicopter doesn't appear to be struggling with a gross overload.
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Hold on a mo people! , have a think outside the square here.Why would an employee post such an incriminating video about the company they work for? Maybe they are a FORMER employee now. Does the fert bucket really weigh 90 kgs, only their word. Have the scales been manipulated for the purposes of the video, the helicopter doesn't appear to be struggling with a gross overload.
Didn't you guys get snapped for overloading by the Feds a few years back, chief Pilots brother ??
Didn't you guys get snapped for overloading by the Feds a few years back, chief Pilots brother ??
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31-39kg for the small buckets
http://www.sei-ind.com/sites/default...20Standard.pdf
http://www.sei-ind.com/sites/default...20Standard.pdf
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31-39kg for the small buckets
http://www.sei-ind.com/sites/default...20Standard.pdf
http://www.sei-ind.com/sites/default...20Standard.pdf
The bucket needs to be 33kg or less to be under the 363kg hook rating....
Sissorlink, pretty sure the machine in the clip is the same one that was made to have a rebuild....
Always two sides to the story though. May be a case of sour grapes by a pissed off loader driver maybe?
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May be a case of sour grapes by a pissed off loader driver maybe?
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You must be joking
Originally Posted by Looks like 250
the helicopter doesn't appear to be struggling with a gross overload.
However, why should the aircraft struggle? Why would there be at all max gross weight restrictions, if the aircraft ran out of power ("struggle" in your words) before reaching this limit? If the aircraft was to struggle, then it is called a performance limitation.
Max gross weight limitations (and other limitations that tell you not to use AVAILABLE torque or engine power) are there because under certain conditions (namely, cold and low) the power plant does not struggle to put out more power than any or all of the downstream components can handle in the long run (gearbox, rotor head, blades, etc.).
As whipping dog pointed out below, the subsequent potential failure is in all generality delayed, and - when it happens - often catastrophic.
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Here is another one seemingly from the same operator. But much better camera work.
https://youtu.be/XH4OiMmhEk4
Last edited by Hot and Hi; 31st July 2016 at 09:32. Reason: Clarification
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Here is another one (better camera work) seemingly from the same operator. But much better camera work.
https://youtu.be/XH4OiMmhEk4
Good point
In this clip you can see that the bucket is also fairly full would love to know what they were carting that day
Is there a clip on youtube of them hot refueling also I wonder?
https://youtu.be/XH4OiMmhEk4
Good point
In this clip you can see that the bucket is also fairly full would love to know what they were carting that day
Is there a clip on youtube of them hot refueling also I wonder?
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In my opinion I think what has caused the weighing system to be erroneous is the helicopters down wash has changed the atmospheric pressure around the ground operating site giving the ground staff incorrect readings,this can be caused by a tail wind approach or ground resonance,in any case a very difficult situation to operate any helicopter type in.