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Ian Corrigible 20th January 2014 16:28

A møøse once bit my sister.



(I døn't think it was that øne.)

:E

I/C

John R81 12th February 2014 07:57

FAA is reported to have stopped Lakemaid's (a brewery) plan to use drones for delivery of beer (six-packs) to remote ice-fishing shacks in Stevens Point, Wisconsin.

It seems that Lakemaid Beer posted an online video advertising its drone delivery service, and FAA responded by notifying the company that the idea was a no-go. Lakemaid has now started a petition on WhiteHouse.gov asking FAA to approve its ideas but FAA is not backing down.

Story is here https://www.wnyc.org/story/beer-dron...more-faa-says/



FAA issued this report in 2013 about integrating drones into US airspace http://www.faa.gov/about/initiatives...admap_2013.pdf

Lonewolf_50 12th February 2014 13:26

FAA can be stick in the muds, can't they?

Finally, technology is available to serve the working man, and the FAA wander in a cock it up.
(Then again, if you need to have beer on hand, buy some ahead of time. Novel thought, that.)

FairWeatherFlyer 26th April 2014 10:02

Musicians may also fret over advances in (flying) drone technology:

BBC News - Drone direction: The flying robotic pop band

And good news for deer:

Germany deploys drones to protect young deer from combine harvesters | World news | theguardian.com

mickjoebill 26th April 2014 12:11

The cause of this drone's delinquent behaviour is "broken knob"


Cameraman Loses His $15k Quadcopter in the Amazon Rainforest



Mickjoebill

FairWeatherFlyer 27th April 2014 10:42

When drones go bad, the new Fox TV series...

I skipped the recent robot special in The Economist but I've gone back to read it as this could be so significant in next 50 years.

Rise of the robots | The Economist

The shift in affordability for aerial photography is remarkable.

Someone else taking a more intentional "dronie":

Drone selfies

FairWeatherFlyer 8th May 2014 10:36

BBC News - Easyjet develops flying robots to inspect aircraft

sitigeltfel 9th May 2014 11:54

What is being referred to as a "drone" crashed on a beach at Nice this morning.

Three South Koreans are being questioned for operating it without authority. It seems they were using it for film work.

http://agl.3.nm.static.nicematin.net...47c0a02d6d.jpg


NiceMatin article

mickjoebill 10th May 2014 11:38

Caa april 2014 drone advice
 
http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/Informa...ice2014081.pdf

Guidance notes for operators of remote aircraft.
200 operators certified by caa for aerial work with drones in uk.

Mickjoebill

Colonal Mustard 10th May 2014 17:42

Common Sense
 
And following on from the london document restricting SUA, they also cover FPV (first Person viewing) so whilst drones may be a thing of the future , thankfully they are going to be limited to an empty beach or farmland

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/33/ORS4%20...20Aircraft.pdf

John Eacott 9th July 2014 04:03

I wonder how much of a 'near miss' it really was?

Two drones in near miss with NYPD copter


Two drones nearly took out an NYPD chopper over the George Washington Bridge on Monday, and cops arrested the wayward devices’ operators, law-enforcement sources told The Post.
The Aviation Unit helicopter was on patrol around 12:15 a.m. when it had to swerve to avoid the small, unmanned aircraft, the sources said.
The NYPD pilots “observed flying object[s] at 2,000 feet in vicinity of the George Washington Bridge, then circling heading toward the helicopter,’’ a police report said.
“The officers were forced to change their course to avoid a collision.”
One source called it a “very dangerous” scenario.
“Although [drones] may only weigh a few pounds, that’s all birds weigh, and look what they did to the Sully Airbus,” the source said, referring to 2009’s “Miracle on the Hudson,” in which a bird strike forced US Airways pilot Chesley “Sully” Sullenberger to crash-land a jetliner in the Hudson River.
The chopper tailed the drones north as they landed at the corner of Audubon and Fort George avenues, near Fort Tryon Park, at 12:35 a.m., sources said.
The chopper cops called NYPD Patrol, and officers were dispatched to nab the suspects.
Remy Castro, 23, who lives on nearby West 193rd Street, and Wilkins Mendoza, 34, of Post Road, were both arrested.
“It’s just a toy,” Castro said later at Manhattan Criminal Court, where they were arraigned on felony reckless endangerment charges and released without bail. “The copter came to us.”
Mendoza said the drone experiment was just fun and games.
“We were just playing with it,” he said. “It’s crazy.”
Their lawyer, Michael Kushner, said the incident was not as serious as authorities allege.
“This vehicle can’t go above 300 feet,” Kushner said. “They did nothing more than fly a kite.”
But a friend of the pair, Jonathan Reyes, 27, said Castro told him they have flown them as high as 5,000 feet.
“When they first got them, everyone was going crazy and saying, ‘That’s some alien stuff!’ ” Reyes recalled.
Reyes said Castro bought a drone two weeks ago and that Mendoza followed suit. They spent $500 to $700 apiece.
They have been having a wild time ever since, flying the drones around the neighborhood each night and posting video of the outings on Instagram.
“They’re fun. They’re a cool pair,” Reyes said of the men. “Everybody who sees [the drones] goes crazy!”
Additional reporting by Kathleen Culliton and Kate Sheehy

chopjock 9th July 2014 09:30


“The officers were forced to change their course to avoid a collision.”
That's normal procedure for anyone flying. What's the problem.? Police obviously think they own the sky and others should give way, even the birds.

rotorfan 11th July 2014 05:21


The Aviation Unit helicopter was on patrol around 12:15 a.m. when it had to swerve to avoid the small, unmanned aircraft, the sources said.
Hmmmmm, did the TCAS paint the drones? Or was it the fire-control RADAR? How do you see something so small, in the dark, even if at a low airspeed? Something seems fishy, but I'm glad they got the creeps.

FairWeatherFlyer 23rd July 2014 23:18

Mapping a whole forest and perhaps more surprisingly lighting, both with l@sers

Singe25 25th July 2014 10:42

Drones co-locating with helicopters
 
I am involved in urban search and rescue and there is no doubt in my mind that both helicopters and drones have a place in response to these type of incidents.

As was suggested earlier in the thread, I would agree that in only a few years time, the authorities may well sit in a a control suit piloting a drone for all manner of tasks.

Does that mean helicopters will become obsolete? Of course not, the need to transport personnel and equipment whilst using the advantages of wide area survey will always be there.

However we are exploring the use of drones closer to the collapsed buildings, operating ably a few metres above the structure and not impacting on the rubble.

The simplicity of drones and the vast cost reduction makes them very attractive.
We have even experimented with the cheaper commercial drones, seen by many as toys and yet they produce live feed that can be easily recorded and control on an iPad.


Few people would be more enthusiastic about helicopters and recently drones and I look forward to working with both.

If other have used them in this line of work, I'd be interested to hear from you.

John R81 24th October 2014 07:24

FAA give approval for commercial use of UAV
 
Take a look at this article. It concludes:

"The FAA’s announcement, and the guidance that it has provided as a result of its review of these initial petitions, has proven Section 333 to be a viable avenue for the commercial use of UAS, and opened the door to other businesses seeking to use UAS to support their operations. Indeed, in announcing its grant of these first petitions, the FAA encouraged other businesses to petition the FAA under Section 333.

To date, the FAA has received 45 requests for exemptions under Section 333 from a variety of companies across a range of industries, including agriculture, oil and gas, GIS/mapping, construction, and real estate, as well as pipeline and power line inspectors and surveyors. If your business is considering using UAS, we can help you take advantage of this opportunity and lead the way in your industry."

Nail The Dream 24th October 2014 18:26

Then there's this to consider :

RT.com - Question More


Commercial drones could be invading the UK within 20 years,
used by everyone from terrorists to burglars, an ex-GCHQ boss warns.
It found the growing use of drones raises “significant safety, security and privacy concerns.”
Nail

John R81 27th October 2014 14:08

Airprox reported, according to BBC

BBC News - Quadcopter drone flew 'too close' to Southend-bound plane

And the report is here
http://www.airproxboard.org.uk/docs/...3%20-%20v2.pdf

John R81 30th October 2014 07:50

25 September 2014: FAA granted six aerial photo and video companies exemptions from FAA regulations according to this article.

The article reports that Astraeus Aerial, Aerial MOB, HeliVideo Productions, Pictorvision Inc., RC Pro Productions Consulting, and Snaproll Media have FAA permission to use small drones “for the purpose of scripted, closed-set filming for the motion picture and television industry.”


Floodgates open?

John Eacott 30th October 2014 09:04

Now here is a useful idea :ok:


Radgirl 30th October 2014 21:52

This seems to be a flying automatic defibrillator. Whilst the drone may be for real it isn't clear if the defibrillator actually works. The lightest defib made exceeds the likely payload of the drone many times.

In reality these defibs have now come down in price so much that most public buildings already have them. The time to effective use is only five minutes after which success falls off rapidly so deployment to individual homes is questionable.

And in cities most people don't live in houses with convenient landing areas outside

hoistop 11th November 2014 12:08

Of course this is only an idea, that is far from operational use, but, we newer know what a baby will become, when grown-up....
Technically, there are semi-automatic defibrillators, that are small enough to be carried by a suitable drone, and I am sure that speed and range of device shown was thought of. I believe such system is entirelly achievable with current technology, so applause to student for developing this idea!!


What disturbs me on the video is: NO CPR ON THE VICTIM!!!
First thing to do in such situations is: call for help or ask someone to do it, then START PERFORMING CPR AT ONCE if victim is not breathing and airway is free. No technology can substitute for this and every minute lost means more irrepairable damage to brain. Also, CPR might still needs to be performed even after defibrillator is used.


regards,


hoistop

FairWeatherFlyer 18th December 2014 13:34

(FAA) regulation of drones, Christmas gifts, niche parcel delivery:

Regulating robotic aircraft: Free the drones | The Economist

Some sub 0 amsl action:

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/navy-deve...375377914.html

I had a chat with someone who claimed that some of the drones used for killing people in dusty locations have an "AI" capability for automatic targeting of survivors post first strike. Wasn't clear if it was internal or an external system but would be interesting to hear more if anyone's knowledgeable in this area.

John Eacott 28th January 2015 07:33

Someone seems to have found a use for basic technology :cool:


robsrich 28th January 2015 19:15

May create an enormous market for radio jammers. Bit like having a hat with spikes when magpies are anti-social?

Are their any out there?

John R81 25th November 2015 07:24

This report says US move closer to requiring registration of all drones (including models & toys) over 250g weight (8.8oz)


FAA, Drones and Registration . . . It?s Coming | Plane-ly Spoken


Now up to FAA to propose regulation

Spunk 25th November 2015 16:16

Drones
 
Just returning from a Safety Meeting. Scarry, how many near misses with drones have been reported in the past few weeks.
Our aviation authority is also aiming for a registration of Drones, so the Pilot might run but can't hide.:D:ok:

copterdude 26th November 2015 04:05

So.... I was the instructor onboard this helicopter:

Possible drone collides with helicopter in Los Angeles | Vertical Magazine - The Pulse of the Helicopter Industry

Certainly got my blood pumping. Regulation can't come soon enough in my opinion.

M.

helimutt 26th November 2015 07:26

So, you didnt see anything, no evidence left behind, so it must be a drone? Ok. I doubt it. How about a crack in the screen not picked up on the pre-flight? How about a bird? Just because there is no evidence it must be a drone? Really?

Registration of all drones? What a joke. Who is going to manage that database? Who has the manpower? in the UK the CAA don't have enough manpower to manage the commercial legal activity within a sensible time frame right now. Never mind the registration of millions more UAV's.

What about those people who build their own? No serial numbers.

I suppose people have to blame something and drones seem to be flavour of the month right now ( every month) :mad::mad:

chopjock 26th November 2015 08:49

Any drone flying at night would have lights on it, otherwise it would be invisible to the operator too. Almost every drone would have some sort of flashing led on it anyway, making it highly visible, especially at night.

Thracian 26th November 2015 10:37


Any drone flying at night would have lights on it, otherwise it would be invisible to the operator too.
Not, if the operater
- doesn´t want to be seen
- has a drone with GPS flight path following
- rips off or covers every possible light before takeoff

There ARE some idiots out there...

Thracian

chopjock 26th November 2015 12:30


Not, if the operator - doesn´t want to be seen
It was dark, drone operator will not be seen anyway until landing.

They still have Leds flashing, even in GPS waypoint mode.

But yes it is possible to tape over lights, but then the operator would not be able to see it either, so unlikely.

Flying Bull 26th November 2015 13:27

Hi Chopjok,

you´re a little bit behind the time.
There are plenty of drones underway with "first person view" - that is, the operator either wearing googles or having a display, where the image of the drone camera is transmitted to.
He doesn´t have to see the drone.....

Flying Bull 26th November 2015 13:41

Hi Chopjok,

you´re a little bit behind the time.
There are plenty of drones underway with "first person view" - that is, the operator either wearing googles or having a display, where the image of the drone camera is transmitted to.
for as little as 159€
He does´t have to see the drone.....

http://www.polizeifliegerstaffel.de/test/drone.jpg

http://www.polizeifliegerstaffel.de/test/drone2.jpg

chopjock 26th November 2015 13:57

I fly fpv too but I use a monitor and I like to look at the drone too, especially for landing. I was going on my 30 years experience. But yes, times are a changing.

helimutt 26th November 2015 17:23

The people who will register and be legal arent the ones we need to worry about. Oh and you can turn the LED's off if you want. ;)

copterdude 27th November 2015 00:57

Just wanted to post a few more details about the incident I posted earlier. We were pretty close to Balboa Park (2-3 miles SW of the airport) at 2000' MSL (~1200AGL) following the 101 eastbound. We can not say with exact certainty what hit us as we never saw anything. Whatever it was made a loud impact, shattered the windshield, cracked the instrument cluster and shook our Robbie. We were doing 70-75kts. Initially I thought we'd hit a large bird and reported it as such to KVNY tower. A post flight inspection did not reveal the slightest trace of blood/feathers, leading me to believe we'd hit a drone. It is in my opinion the most logical explanation as Van Nuys is a hotbed for drone sightings/near misses. There's also a specialty drone store about 1 mile from where I was impacted. I don't want to point fingers, but one has to wonder.

I also wanted to mention we had a drone sighting at 1000AGL near 91/605, and another instructor had a near TR miss near El Monte airport. Something has to be done sooner than later. I think drones are neat, but not at 1200AGL.

If anybody has any information or hears about anyone recently losing a drone near Balboa Park, please report it to Van Nuys FSDO at (818) 904-6291.

Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

M.

John R81 7th January 2016 07:15

The latest country to enact Drone legislation is Ireland.


Irish Aviation Authority (Small Unmanned Aircraft (Drones) and Rockets) Order 2015 (https://www.iaa.ie/docs/default-sour...5.pdf?sfvrsn=2 )


Less onerous registration of users (compared to US legislation requires) but the key points of the Irish regulations are:


A drone is not allowed to fly farther than 300 metres from its operator and it must be in visible sight to its operator;
A drone is not allowed to fly higher than 120 metres above ground level;
A drone cannot fly within 5 kilometres of any aerodrome;
A drone cannot fly in a prohibited, restricted area or controlled airspace e.g. military installations, prisons, over an assembly of people or over urban areas;
Drone operators must ensure they operate their drone in a manner that will not be a hazard to another aircraft in flight or in a negligent or reckless manner so as to endanger the life or property of others;
All drones weighing 1Kg or more, which includes the weight of the battery and the attached equipment, must be registered with the Irish Aviation Authority (“IAA”); and
Operators of drones which weigh more than 4Kg will also need to complete safety training approved by the IAA to fly that drone.

chopjock 7th January 2016 08:42


A drone cannot fly within 5 kilometres of any aerodrome;
You forgot to add this bit…

"unless the aerodrome operator has given permission;"


Operators of drones which weigh more than 4Kg will also need to complete safety training approved by the IAA to fly that drone.
The term is "accepted by the Authority", not "approved by the IAA".

There is a subtle difference.

MarcK 7th January 2016 22:02


A drone is not allowed to fly farther than 300 metres from its operator and it must be in visible sight to its operator;
That makes it pretty useless for things like crop surveilance.


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