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Winnie 4th July 2011 20:12

Helicopter down this evening in Norway: July 2011
 
Five feared dead according to Dagbladet (Dagbladet.no - forsiden)

rip...

From Airlift.
H.

rotorrookie 5th July 2011 00:32

:( sad :sad:

M609 5th July 2011 08:32

www.vg.no just released image from crash site.

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/171...x_13197743.jpg

According to media 3 people confirmed dead, 2 has status as missing. Police said this morning that idendification of the passengers will be challenging. :sad:

Aser 5th July 2011 11:31

R.I.P.

the scene is so similar to the recent crash in Andorra :(

Aser

M609 5th July 2011 12:48

http://gfx.dagbladet.no/labrador/171...x_13197743.jpg

Video: www.dagbladet.no

Thomas coupling 5th July 2011 13:31

Oooh Bloo*y hell - that is some impact...same aircraft as the ems cab that.s on scene.

M609 5th July 2011 14:24

Not EMS cab, the 350 belongs to the same company as the accident a/c.
The EMS cab is the yellow one in the video.

Pekka 5th July 2011 15:01

VGTV

330 Squadron's video of the accident site. :(

strey 5th July 2011 16:32

All five are now confimed dead.

Not a big shock looking at that crash site.

alouette 7th July 2011 03:49

Not much left of that aircraft...:sad:

M609 7th July 2011 08:20

AIBN confirms a/c struck terrain with high forward speed, nose pointing slightly downwards.

Aftenposten.no - Nose struck first

M609 8th July 2011 00:03

Video of debris after arrival at AIBN hangar at Kjeller(ENKJ)

Video - vg.no

GenuineHoverBug 2nd November 2012 14:39

Report published on the accident to this AS350 in July 2011
 
The report was published today and the english summary goes like this:

As the helicopter started the descent for an approach in mountainous terrain, witnesses observed it turning tightly to the right. During the turn, control of the helicopter appeared to be lost, with a high bank angle and a steep descent. At the end, it seemed as if control was about to be regained, but the helicopter hit the ground hard about 500 metres short of the planned landing site and immediately caught fire. All five persons on board were fatally injured. The helicopter was a total loss.

The investigation has not revealed any technical defects or irregularities that could have influenced the course of events. The Accident Investigation Board Norway considers it likely that abrupt manoeuvring initiated a sequence where control of the helicopter was partly lost for a period, and that the height was insufficient for the commander to recover in time. The AIBN believes that the hydraulic system may have reached its limitation during the manoeuvring, resulting in the phenomenon servo transparency, (also called jack stall) occurring.

Three safety recommendations are issued in the report, dealing with limitations during manoeuvring with passengers on board, warning of servo transparency hazards and the need for flight recorders.

An english translation of the full report is availble here: AIBN 2012/13 eng

Anthony Supplebottom 2nd November 2012 17:07

Is someone willing to provide a description of servo transparency, how it happens, what is feels like and how to avoid it in the Squirrel?

John R81 2nd November 2012 17:56

Try here http://www.aaib.gov.uk/cms_resources...HL%2002-09.pdf from page 90.

jymil 2nd November 2012 19:02

Servo Transparency
 
In short, aggressive maneuvers and/or excessive G load can result in control forces which overpower the hydraulic system, leading to stiff controls and an uncommanded roll and pitch up.

You can easily avoid it by not doing any crazy stunts.

GenuineHoverBug 2nd November 2012 19:27

Chapter 1.18 (page 30-45) in the AIBN report also has a quite detailed description of what it is and what it might feel like. It looks in particular at ST in right turns, similar to the AAIB report on the Scottish accident referenced above. The AIBN description and calculations appears to have been developed with/accepted by Eurocopter.

Flyting 2nd November 2012 20:11

It's a crap your pants feeling... I've had it in a BA while doing a hard right hand turn when all of a sudden the controls locked up. Luckily I had space to fight through the recovery. Also had it in a B3 with a faulty servo while coming in to land...with only a 20-30° bank at about 40 kts... Luckily it was only a partial effect but being that close to the ground wasn't comfortable :sad:

Like Jymil says..... avoid the excessively hard menouvres and it will avoid you...

Anthony Supplebottom 2nd November 2012 20:14

Thanks for the feedback.


leading to stiff controls and an uncommanded roll and pitch up.
The report citing Eurocopter states:


the phenomenon will induce an uncommanded right cyclic force and an associated down collective reaction.
Will the a/c always pitch up with down collective?

Is the Squirrel more sensitive to jack stall/servo transparency than other types? Does it manifest the same way in other types?

ShyTorque 2nd November 2012 20:21

Rather puzzling that it occurred in the descent though. Collective pitch would normally be reduced to descend, taking the aircraft further from the limit of the hydraulic system.

Also, from the photos posted here, the tail rotor blades appear to be almost undamaged.


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