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speds 6th June 2008 13:45

EGPWS
 
According to Demented, 95% of the AW139 pilots he knows, fly with the EGPWS circuit breaker pulled.

Would any other operators care to share their company SOP on use of this "system designed to give the pilot superior situational awareness and to warn the pilot of..........impending danger of controlled flight into terrain.

Are you encouraged to manage the system through selection of Low Alt, G/S Cancel, Terr Inhibit and Mute ON/OFF switches, or do you pull the breaker regardless of day/night, the flight conditions and altitude/phase of flight?

speds

Non-PC Plod 6th June 2008 18:13

I'm really interested to know, because, obviously its a system intended to improve situational awareness and safety. I have noticed it being routinely disabled, almost without a second thought. This suggests that either: 1. Its being disabled because it is not fit for purpose, in which case the warning thresholds maybe need changing, or: 2. Its being disabled because that is what people are being taught to do, in which case the training system needs revisiting.

RedWhite&Blue 9th June 2008 13:13

Total Electrical Failure
 
Having read the thread about the tragic events in the Gulf, I noticed the following quote.


Even an all EFIS cockpit has standby electromechanical horizons, ASIs VSIs and altimeters. Any experienced IFR pilot is capable of operating on these even in the event of a total electrical failure.
As all 139 pilots well know, this is not the case.

This made me wonder how other 139 pilots feel about the display suite as fitted to the 139, with regard to the very remote chance of total electrical failure when flying without external visual reference.

I make no comment at this point as I don't want to 'steer' any response, but I would be very interested to hear other people's views.


Red

heliski22 9th June 2008 14:13

Standby Instrument
 
Being one of the "seven or so" crews referred to earlier on who managed to get the Battery Master off instead of the Battery Main while dealing with Double DC Gen failure in the Sim, I can attest to the thoroughly unpleasant sinking feeling when everything, and I mean EVERYTHING in front of you goes black!

From initial Ground School, I've had some personal reservations about the lack of an independent power supply for that instrument. It does seem extraordinary that a perfectly simple mistake - two adjoining switches with broadly the same function in principle - can result in a blackout. If it happens IMC, no screens and no APs means you're headed for the obituary columns.

However, an independent supply for the instrument might only provide attitude reference and, presumably airspeed and altitude information (yes, I appreciate that's all it takes to stay alive) with all the other information normally available coming from NAV sources which depend upon power from the primary electrical system being lost. Don't know how it might be designed to work in practice.

22

heliski22 19th June 2008 09:27

Standard Tow-Bar
 
The fancy (and very expensive) portable tow-bar is clearly placarded to say there are no safety devices (shear pins) and to exercise caution while towing. Fair enough!

The standard tow-bar (equally expensive but it looks a lot chunkier and creates the impression of a bit more value for your dollar) has no such placard and has a very sexy-looking row of replacement shear pins mounted along the side.

If you don't know already, exercise caution, boys and girls - the shear protection is only available in longitudinal (fore/aft) load. If you apply excessive lateral load (nose wheel lock still engaged) the main tube will fail, assuming the nose wheel lock assembly doesn't come asunder first, of course.

According to Agusta, it is designed this way and must be replaced, not repaired in such an instance.

So, if you push or pull too hard in a straight line, you replace the 50 cent shear pin. If you push or pull too hard sideways, you replace the $21,000 tow-bar. Che C***o!! :ouch:

So, after a review of procedure and the proper use of the Locking Pin, we've now re-placarded the main tow-bar as having no safety devices (it might as well not have) and appropriate caution is to be exercised!!:confused:

S.M.S 19th June 2008 19:57

Hi folks...

In the AW139 why there is ON/OFF siwthc on the cockpit for ELT ???:)

Ned-Air2Air 19th June 2008 22:59

Hey Bandit - Nice pic of the 139 - Looks familiar :E:E

Ned-Air2Air 19th June 2008 23:06

Aser - Special pic just for you :)

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...%20Ops/a12.jpg

Ned-Air2Air 19th June 2008 23:11

Few pics of 139s.

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...air2air_75.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...air2air_25.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1...air2air_21.jpg

Ned-Air2Air 19th June 2008 23:21

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../Falcon005.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../Falcon016.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../Falcon018.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../Falcon029.jpg

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../Falcon070.jpg

Ned-Air2Air 19th June 2008 23:23

http://i54.photobucket.com/albums/g1.../Falcon091.jpg

widgeon 21st June 2008 11:23

Is the tail rotor canted on this model or is it an optical illusion.

spinwing 21st June 2008 12:44

Mmmmm....

Yup, Tail Rotor gearbox is canted 11 degrees ...thus it is known as the 101 box!

:E

funderrc 27th June 2008 16:08

AW139 question
 
I am currently in Vergiate conducting the acceptance on our first AW139 (long nose) for Saudi Aramco. On our first flight I noticed an "in and out" roaring / vibration coming from the front of the aircraft. The test pilot also commented on it. The next day, we installed the FLIR, which is mounted in front of the nose landing gear and noticed that the roaring / vibration was not present. We were flying at the same airspeeds.

I was wondering if anyone else has noticed this. We do have the nose landing gear doors removed. It starts at around 130 KIAS and gets worse as speed increases.

Any comments would be appreciated.

Rennie

bandit19 27th June 2008 19:50

Ned
 
You made me famous...want an autograph :8

S.M.S 28th June 2008 02:53


first AW139 (long nose) for Saudi Aramco. On our first flight I noticed an "in and out" roaring / vibration coming from the front


:ugh::eek::eek::eek::eek::ugh:

maeroda 28th June 2008 18:45

......."We do have the nose landing gear doors removed".......

Without that gear doors 193 is noisy.
Did you have also landing gear down, didn't you?:bored:

Do you remember test pilot's name?

Maeroda

maeroda 28th June 2008 19:00

Just one shot of our one, Italian Alps.

http://images4.fotoalbum.alice.it/v/...SCN1091-vi.jpg

maeroda 28th June 2008 19:02

http://images2.fotoalbum.alice.it/v/...DSD5739-vi.jpg

speds 28th June 2008 20:38

Snow Skids or Slump Pads
 
Hi Maeroda

Are those the Snow Skids on I-CEPA? Can you tell me how long they take to fit and remove please?

Speds


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