"Learning" to fly from home
 

right, ive read the sticky and had a look to see if i can find a similar post, but i cant, mods, really sorry if there is one, please move it if there is! but any ways, this is what i need a hand with!

at the minute i have zero loged hours in any type of a helicopter, but i can handle a hughes 500 helicopter from everything to straght and level flying, to sloped landings, normal landings, confined area work, the usual things! you may ask how! and heres the low down!

my dad got his lisance about 10 years ago, and at the time i was abou 8/9. went to the airfield he learned to fly in EVERY time he was going, just from intrest, to see all the planes, helicopters and the likes! got a spin or two with his instructer after he was finished with da once or twice too, and i was hoocked since!

so then a few years later my pop got a hughes 300 (aka a Schweizer).he had that for a while and i was always up with him, just as a passanger of course! then when i was about 15 or so, my dad let me handle the cyclic during straght and level flight, with him covering it of course! and things kinda progressed! then after a while, a person who is certified to train in hughes 500's in america came over delivering a 500 to us to replace the 300, so he gave me a few lessons, where i did about 3 or so hours, (at the time i was already able to hover, take off, land, just basic stuff) and he showed me a few emergency procedures, autos, hover autos, tail roter failure, i think that was it!

apart from them 3 or so hours about 3 years ago, i havnt done any emergency procedures, so i know id need to go over that!

anyways, unloged, i have about 120 or so hours up as "pilot in command" flying from the passanger side, but obv would love to get a lisance!

now with exams and school taking up alot of my time up till last summer, i hadnt really had time to do it, and then launched into a tough college course in october last, kept me going now too!

BUT, we may have found a way to work this around me education, which is very important to me. a firend of dads, is a caa instructor. and is coming over to ireland ( where we live) soon, and im getting lessons from him! now i havnt had a chance to get a good proper chat to him, but any ideas on how it would be best to go about getting the lisance!

is it currently possible to clock up offical hours from a privatly owned machine at a non certified airfield, if the instrucer is certified to do so?

taking into account my situation, any other advice ye would have for me apart from that?

learning to fly from home.
 

This has to be a wind up! The spelling and grammar do not tally with the content of the post

You cannot be pilot in command from the "passenger" seat and unless your father is an instructor, then I would question the legality of you "having a go". I would certainly think that it would invalidate the insurance.

You cannot log the hours "gained" so far. You can use a privately owned machine but training for a PPL must be from a licenced airfield. Your father and any instructors within your acquaintance should know that.

Cheers

Whirls

bugdevheli: im sorry i didnt realise being able to fly a helicopter ment you have perfect english grammer!

whirlygig: oh i do know that the hours i have already count for nada and that i will have to start from scratch building them up, and that to build them up i will need a qualified instructor, but what i wasnt sure of was the lisanced airfield! thanks for clearing that up, although, is it possible to train for a caa lisance (ppl), with a caa instructor from an irish airfield?

I think you should concentrate on your education looking at that post !

E.:rolleyes:

You don't. And it's multiple choice questions in the exam. Nothing illegal about having a go from the passenger seat either, as long as the PIC takes responsibility for whatever happens. They're only jealous (probably) :ok: Might be better to ask on the private flying forum, though.
Can I have a go in your dad's helicopter?

Gig,

What prevents one from "logging" flight hours even if done outside the regulations? I would suggest one can log every hour flown in whatever capacity it was done.

As to whether it would count towards licenses and such is a separate and different question.

Our Federal Air Regulations cover that eventuality....and set forth what hours may be credited towards certificates (license in American), training, proficiency, and the like.

If I bought a B-29 Super Fortress and flew it solo....just why could I not log the time as PIC....for sure no one else was along and the aircraft flew the hours?

Just why must PPL training be done from a "licensed" airfield?

The helicopter does not know whether it is in "licensed" airspace.

Is this yet another case of the CAA being completely out of touch with reality?

In a nutshell!

Cheers

Whirls

sas&piper: well as i said i havnt got a chance to talk to the instructor thats coming over next week properly, but i shall run those questions by him! oh and piper, i can always ask him if he'l let ya if ya want ;:)

oh and those of you digging at my english skills, at the minute im in a course baised around maths physics and chem, i think im going to go ahead and take a bash at it, despite my lack of being able to spell! im pretty sure numbers dont give a crap if i can spell or use proper grammer!

You're right; numbers don't care if you can spell correctly. However, a future employer will!

Cheers

Whirls

Given that I have a 13 year old daughter, I will nominate myself as an expert witness.

Cellphone/IM grammar and spelling may not carry much weight with us older folks, but is entirely common in that generation. A computer is an extension of that communication medium.

My daughter can communicate in a shorthand I can only see as the most horrible english imaginable one minute, then write with amazing accuracy the next. Depends on her frame of mind and intent.

That said:

Keeping a record of and 'logging' time are slightly different. Most Civil Aviation Regulations clearly define the time that can be logged but I am one who 'keeps a record' of many other details in my log book for personal interest, clarification of the 'logged' time, or to provide a record (of time as a sim instructor for instance).

I know as a nation we don't have a great grasp on "the Queens English", but Jaysus Horse, quit letting the side down and use a spell check or something!!!

Ooh, and welcome to the addiction!

Ha ha ha!
 

:mad:

JR

Swamp76

Kids communicate in a shorthand/Nokiaspeak when communicating with each other. That is completely different from asking for advice on a pilots' forum where the overwhelming majority of readers are obviously not other kids.

"Depends on her frame of mind and intent."
I guess it does, and Uprooted's post shows his frame of mind.
He expects folk to take the time to give him the advice he wants but he can't be bothered to take the time to ask them in proper English. It shows laziness and bad manners.

I don't see what loged, lisance, instructer, hoocked, passanger and tail roter have got to do with textspeak.
If Uprooted has got a learning disability such as dyslexia then we should be understanding and encouraging. If he hasn't, then he'd be better off spending his spare time improving his standard of education at this stage in his life instead of worrying about how he can learn to fly from home.

Whirlygig

unless your father is an instructor, then I would question the legality of you "having a go"
Why would it be illegal so long as his father retains overall control of the aircraft? :confused:
I agree if something went wrong there might be problems with an insurance claim because they'd say it proves the pilot wasn't in control.
Legal or not, there can't be many pilots who've never let someone have a go. Lots of kids learn the basics before they are old enough to start training if they're lucky enough to have a parent who flies.

B.

I believe that my logbook is a personal record of my aviation experience. I log everything that contributes to that experience.

When it comes to renewal or type rating, it's easy to pluck relevant PIC time from the pages.

Best,

Sicknote
:ok:

Best of luck mate!

Just stay away from the English area.

im not going to lie! i was never good at English! some of ye are having a go at me for " not having the respect" or the "time" to at least spell check my post before sending it in.

at the end of the day, this is a forum, and a website, about flying, not about english. i asked for advice, for those of you who gave it, i thank you, it has been a great help, but for those of you who have turned this into something about my "education" and my qualitly of english, if ye have ever complained about somebody posting somethign in the wrong place, or not reading stickys, go :mad: yourselves, because your not exactly following what this forum is about either. when i joined this forum, i was asked to read the stickys, and the links in them, to see if my questions were answered within them, and if not, to use a thread already started to see if my questions are relevent, and use that one for posting. i did that. but yet despite it, im apparently not good enough to post here, just because my grammer and spelling isnt up to " the queens standerd".

my english is !!!!e, im not even going to lie! i nearly failed it in the last exam i had in it! but for god sake does it really matter in the topic were all here for.

im looking for advice on how to become a pilot in my specific situation, and if ye want to turn this into an argument about my english and about how imature i am, im in the worng forum. for those of you who are having a go at me for my english and spelling, i get it every day, i dont care have a go. but for those of you that have given me advice, i thank you.


edit: oh and bronx, what difference would it make of not if i have dyslexia? would you just ignore the fact my english is :mad: if i did? english, is a language, a topic revolving around words and sentences! i am not good at that! i use numbers, formulas and proofs! thats what i understand. scientific things, not language or the likes! if anything, being scientificly minded will help me with the written exams more then english, which has been said above, are multiple choice, which will lead me to be a better pilot. letting me understand more about the helicopter i hope to be lisanced to be in control of is actually flying. i dont see the written language as being important, i dont care that i have bad grammer. instead i put all my effort into the things i am intrested in. which, in relevance is, flying, and the theroy of flight and all other things relevent!

i will say it now myself. i am !!!!e at english. but thats not why im here, thats not why any one is here. were all her for a love of flight. get over yourselfs wanting to have a go at me for my !!!!e english. i want to fly. i want to be good at it. if you want to be arse*****S about it, fine, do want you want, but know it wont change any thing. according to some of you. im imature, but id rather have some one with bad english fly a helicpter im in then some one who seams to think its more important to be able so spell.

Well said boss!!

Ok - calm down people! :)

Firstly, Unprooted did as pprune asked and did some research (good job unprooted :D) and then asked his question to which some ppruners replied as best as they could given the information we had.

Unprooted, from time to time we get some "wind-ups" where some new-comers are one off posters who post annoying irrelevant questions - often in a manor which was similar to yours, but totally bogus, hence the initial reply. You can brush that off if I were you. :)

While I understand your thoughts on favoring formula, numbers and the like I would like to point out that, as a pilot, written communication will become more important to you, even moreso should you wish to go commercial. While the exams are multiple choice, being able to fully understand the question is often 80% of the test, and it seems you're good at understanding the information, not writing it so much.

We all agree that this is a flying forum and is treated as such. These forum (fora?) are visited by many a professional with great experience willing to give advice. All they are asking is for a little effort in your posting to help them read the questions without having to translate internally, if you know what I mean.

The content of your post is good, all you need to do is throw a few full stops in it, and a quick spell check and it will improve no-end. It will only take a few extra minutes, but I encourage you to take the effort as all the people here will be keen to help and support you. Additionally, instead of them attacking your English they might just ask you for more information to be able to give you a better answer.

So - shall we all start again...this time on the right foot?
:ok:

Uprooted,

SoundBarrier has offered some good advice, but could I suggest that you read this thread over on African Aviation? The originator is from Nairobi, and for him English is not a first language, so his comments are all the more pertinent.

You are twice blessed: a father who has spent time to show you how to fly a helicopter, and an upbringing where English is a first language. Now is the time to capitalise on both :ok:

Uprooted, it's not the standard of your English that is getting up everyone's nose; it's the fact that you don't care that it's bad and are not prepared to improve. I'm sorry you can't see that difference. Unless your father is going to automatically give you a job, you (note you, not ye) will have to improve your attitude in your career, whether it's scientific (reports to write etc) or in aviation.

There's is a big difference between lazy English and dyslexia; if you do suffer from the latter (which I doubt) then you could have some difficulties with reading the study manuals. As it is, I suspect that your reading skills are just fine!

Now, you have a choice; you can be contrite and take the advice on the chin or you can carry on as before. The former will probably mean that you will get more help and advice as and when you need it; the latter won't!

Oh very droll Squeaks! :ok:

Cheers

Whirls

Uprooted , hang in there.:ok:

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Hi uprooted, i'd suggest if your dad's friend's coming over, and he's a CAA instructor, then you'll be best off finding out from him where you stand.

Ignore the posts (in particular the unhelpful and rude ones) that went off at a tangent and commented on your spelling and grammar. If you want to know where you are in terms of gaining a PPL, then get your dad's friend to talk things through with you.

All the best, andy

I've been surfing this site for awhile now, always relucant to post anything because of the retort of many users quite willing to shoot people down.

It's a pity that is the case... my mumma always told me..... if you haven't got anything nice to say shut the **** up.

have a nice day:ok:

English !!!!!!!!
 

While there are those who think good education is not needed, maybe in the old days it would hold true. The old days where you learnt on the job, got a few cuts here and there, and a few amputations for poking body parts in to places where they dont belong ..

With the amount of automation and computerization, it does require good education, and that is one of the reasons cadet pilots need to be graduate, not "good in tinkering with electronic stuff" and such ..

I learnt it, as at one stage I was about to bring down a million dollar worth RF transmitter, and then I got a severe bollocking from my boss, who said "DO IT IF YOU KNOW HOW TO DO IT, OR IF YOU DONT KNOW, GO AND PLAY WITH YOUR OWN MILLION DOLLAR TOYS, NOT MINE" - the problem concerned working out the Intermediate frequency and calculating the maximum load (which involved a lot of mathematics and deciphering of the manuals) and a mismatched IF would have literally burnt the High Power Transmitter.

Well, also reminds me of the time one of the shipping company bosses sent his new secretary to brush up her english, for having taken down a dictation "MV XXXX WILL BE BIRTHING IN EAST KEY" :eek: :eek: (Do ships give birth ?? and can ships dock in Keys ?? - forgot Florida Keys !!!!)

I used to be one of those who believe 'hands on' is better, and after a few near misses, and almost have been dumped a under-slung load .. I think and believe otherwise now

YouTube - German Coast Guard - Lost in Translation

have a great weekend !!!!

"Learning" to fly from home
 

Uprooted. You now know the risks of posting on Pprune. Stick with it, there are some very clever and helpful people on here. Bug.

right, first off I'm just going to say sorry for my over heated last reply! was a bit ott! and reading over the responses, i will try to make my posts better!

Uprooted, one thing springs to mind - are you thinking of an FAA (USA) licence or JAA (European) licence? If you're learning on an N-reg machine, in Ireland with a UK instructor, you could be entering the realms of a whole heap of authorising paperwork!

Cheers

Whirls

i was originally thinking FAA, considering the fact that its a N reg machine that the bulk of my flying will be done in, but finding the time to get to America was tough, but i was going to run the idea over with the instructor coming over next week!

edit: forgot spell check :ok:

Uprooted
 

As you know, you will need to log all of the hours with an instructor. This may seem really unfair/academic/a bore. I was in that position when I first trained (fixed wing), as I had something like 1000 unlogged hours in "jollies" (with hindsight I wish I had logged them in the "any other flight" coloumn). What this did do for me was to allow me to find my PPL course (and subsequent training) a complete walk in the park. That is not to say I didn't learn anything, I learnt a hell of a lot, but my learning was already one step ahead (e.g. I was doing a lot of limited panel instrument work just to burn up hours to get my PPL), I have remained one step a head subsequently with all of my training and I can only thank all those who took me through the early years.

I think you will find that the IAA would need to have their instructor authorised by the FAA if instruction is to be in an aircraft on the November reg.

I hope all goes well for you, and wish you all the very best!

RIX