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First concept
http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...Concept_lg.jpg Last concept http://www.fly-net.org/aeromedia/aw139jap.jpg :E |
EC 175
I saw the EC175 mockup before it left for the States. It does vaguely resemble the 139 but its bigger - 16 seats (?) in a reasonably spacious cabin. And Joy - more legroom for the pilots than the AS332L / EC225 family! Its also got proper doors... And American engines (which is pretty amazing for the French!)
A reliable source told me not to pay attention to the 3 bladed tail rotor - after all its only a mock-up! Maybe someone broke one so they had to space the remaining 3 out... Lets hope that having the fuel and baggage at the back does not result in CofG issues a la 139. HC |
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With the Chinese involved I wouldn't be surprised if a little "design borrowing" took place.
Power plants are the same as the 139's, so there's only so much you can squeeze out of performance. Put more weight on those donkies and you are going to end up with just a bigger and heavier underpowered 155. Let's not forget that the 139 is certified for 15 passengers away from the land of "Supersize Me". |
IMHO in the pictures I have seen I find the EC-175 rather an ugly duckling.
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with a base price of $8 mill dollars im not suprised they sold 100 already
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:{:{:{Nooo, Eurocopter, where has your beautiful aesthetic design team gone? It looks like an Mi-2 Hoplite that has popped over to Thailand for some cheap plastic surgery. :{:{
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Yet another Renault from France just like their Airbus products, this one made worse by the Chink participation.
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More powerful (Canadian!) engines than the AB139 and far larger and capable machine.
Always nice to see we all live in the global village: Isn't part of the S92 made in China by the Jingdezhen Helicopter Group, with more in Taiwan, Spain etc?? http://www.verticalmag.com/control/n...es/?a=6880&z=6 |
Zalt, no the donkeys are the same as the AW139 (P&WC PT6s) and they have the same -67E number.
The only difference there may be a full time DEC rather than the AW139 EEC. So I am figuring roughly the same specific fuel burn; they also carry up to 530 gallons fuel. This EC-175 got nothing to do with the S-92, but everything to do with ch....., I mean inexpensive production costs. |
Power plants are the same as the 139's, so there's only so much you can squeeze out of performance. Put more weight on those donkies and you are going to end up with just a bigger and heavier underpowered 155. Let's not forget that the 139 is certified for 15 passengers away from the land of "Supersize Me". The 15 pax. option in the 139 isn't very comfortable, so it's really nice a bigger cabin, if they do it right the 175 I'm sure will be another winner. Regards Aser |
Originally Posted by tottigol
Zalt, no the donkeys are the same as the AW139 (P&WC PT6s) and they have the same -67E number. The only difference there may be a full time DEC rather than the AW139 EEC.
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OK, I'll go back in my corner for a while:*
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Hey, don't leave just yet! :E
Besides, in addition to the Renault 5, they did also give us half of Concorde. And some nice plonk. And Sophie Marceau, Eva Green, Emmanuelle Beart, Brigitte Bardot and Alizee. (Sorry, I seem to have wandered off-subject... :E ) I/C |
Ec 175
HC:
16 seats yes, nice cabin if it stays that size, uses a small aisle for the rear row to exit. Baggage door is high but probably manageable. Engines, well American parent, but Canadian built, they speak French there too! My real reason for the post was your comment on three bladed tail rotor. Do you have a concern? I though it was an interesting (design/concept) mockup. The blades have a quite a large cord and I would imagine three blades would be easier to balance or have less vibratory loads. And hopefully less, dare I say tail cracking issues. Would three produce less noise too? I too have concerns on CG. Big engines, big tail, big baggage compartment and of course all the new avionics up front will be light. And we too placed an order 10 +10. |
Didn't know ERA got a 225, looks swell in the paint and i like that 1H's glass panel, nice, cheers for sharing!
Heli-Expo: Eurocopter books commitments for 111 EC175s By Graham Warwick http://adserver.adtech.de/adserv%7C3...rp=%5Bgroup%5D Eurocopter has left Heli-Expo in Houston, Texas with letters of intent for 111 of its new EC175s, having opened the show by unveiling a full-scale mock-up of the 7t-class, 16-passenger helicopter. The European manufacturer says 13 different customers signed letters of intent to buy the EC175 during the three days of the show. These included launch customers Bristow Group and VIH Aiation of Canada, both oil and gas operators. Other commitments came from the UK's Bond, Denmark's Dancopter, France's Heli-Union, Era and Halvorson Group of the USA, India's Global Vectra, New Zealand's HNZ, Belgium's NHV and Pegaso of Mexico. http://www.flightglobal.com/assets/g...x?ItemID=21687 © Eurocopter The Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6C-67E-powered EC175 is being developed jointly with China's Harbin Aviation Industry Group. First flight is scheduled for 2009, with European certification expected in 2011. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPPZfqTDDF0 |
Ec 175
HC,
You are right, but we Americans like to think we are the only Americans, when the truth is the term does encompass our continental friends both North and South. Interesting comments on the tail rotor, I remember someone mentioning to me while I was at Sikorsky that they could think of no helicopter that went to production with the same tail rotor and/or tail stabilizer/configuration that was original to the design concept. Cheers, Dave |
Mac's in the UK are saying $10 million dollars for this heli eventhough they have been launched for $8 Million, does anyone have a contact company in the US where one may be able to order this heli
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EC have always had Euro pricing and USD pricing for the longest time it was cheaper to buy in Europe , with the sagging dollar the pendulum has swung the other way. If you want to fly under N reg in UK you may be OK to buy in USA and fly in Uk ( or other Easa country ) . If you want to transfer to UK register you may find EC less than co operative. But if the diff is 2 mill for sure is is worth looking into. Plus of course the ones for the US market will have reverse main rotor direction :rolleyes:
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Would McAlpine really price in dollars? Sounds like a fishing expedition to me.
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