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Quichotte 18th March 2007 16:53

Firemen and Bumbi Buckets
 
Found this brave men struggling with a bucket under a Super Puma.

http://www.johannes-leckebusch.de/Fo...164aus_tif.htm

http://www.johannes-leckebusch.de/Fo...W_0184_tif.htm

http://www.johannes-leckebusch.de/Fo...177aus_tif.htm

Impressive!

Aesir 18th March 2007 17:55

I think its a SA330 Puma!

But never mind that, do you know if this was actual fire job or just training?

Quichotte 18th March 2007 18:24

Of course! It's a SA 330. In my mind it was clear a Super P. after i heard the germans sold all their 330 to HELOG. But may be older pics.

Flying Bull 18th March 2007 19:23

Hi,
went through the pictures - seems there was a real fire somewhere in the mountains.
Just wondering about the procedure so.
I would taken a chainsaw and have cut some trees at the smal river, where the fireman got the water.
The helicoptercrews could have picked the water on their own - much faster and with less risk for all involved....

Greetings "Flying Bull"

Dynamic Component 18th March 2007 23:36

Looks to me like they might have had a fire in the bucket;) :}

TwinHueyMan 19th March 2007 21:50

Shoulda talked to the Czechs to see how its done!

http://www.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!/open.file/1157376/L/

Looks like the pilot in the Puma had a bit of trouble keeping the bucket up. A few of our crews trained like that with the local FD and said it was about 6 inches of vertical leeway, 2 feet of lateral leeway, or you were watering the grass.

-Mike

remote hook 19th March 2007 22:54

That looks like the Keystone Cops...

Good lord.

RH

choppergod 20th March 2007 04:44

If the best one can do is to belly hook a bucket onto a Puma then maybe one should not be fighting fires.

I just goes to show, just because you fly a big machine it doesn't mean you are good at the job you have been tasked to do.

Choppergod has spoken.

Mast Bumper 20th March 2007 20:46

+1 Choppergod

HOGE 21st March 2007 00:18

Pedant mode on.

It's a Bambi bucket.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bambi_bucket

Pedant mode off.

kjw57 21st March 2007 05:35

Now there's an opportunity to sell a porta tank (pumpkin') if I ever saw one.

tecpilot 21st March 2007 08:59

My Pedant mode on. :) Bumbi or Bambi? If AgustaWestland found Bumbi is correct, also Quichotte is on the right way.

See Fire Fighting
http://www.agustawestland.com/produc...?id_product=14


Here we can buy a "Bumbi"
http://www.alibaba.com/catalog/10920..._fighting.html

MarcK 21st March 2007 20:29

Bambi Bucket
 
Here is an article about the person who says he invented the Bambi bucket. I think "bumbi" is an aberration of Turkish and Korean spelling errors.

Cyclic Hotline 21st March 2007 21:37

More like Bumble bucket.

Were those pictures taken at Trumpton, Germany?:)

jab 9th April 2007 21:31

kjw57

Just found this thread again. I confess, I only dipped out of a pumpkin for the first time last year and I found it to be a stressful exercise, especially when in a chain with Skycranes, S-58's, Vertols and a bunch of Hueys all waiting their turn. Tends to increase the concentration levels and thankfully I had done a bit of long-line before, I really felt sorry for the guys spending 2 minutes or longer trying to get the bucket into the pumpkin. It is not always easy work.

John Eacott 9th April 2007 22:05

JAB,

It gets better: wait 'til they task you to fill the buoywall :p

jab 9th April 2007 22:25

John

Yes, it can get interesting on fires. Actually I find the support ops easier because you are on your own and can take your time, there is self-inflicted pressure in the daisy chain to get the bucket into the tank on the first try. I love the work, meet some great people and its always challenging, what more can you ask for? Would love to try it in Aus sometime.

EESDL 11th April 2007 12:37

"Firemen"?
Stormtroopers!! looking at the shape of their helmets.....as the actress said to the bishop!

whoateallthepies 12th April 2007 06:30

Why on earth don't they use a longline?
Did some firefighting in Greece in '93 with a British International Super Puma using 100' longline and a bubble window on the left side.

It would get rid of their downwash problem.


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