Aser

Our G/S was 150. He was accelerating away from us at a departure rate of 40 Kts (on radar). Do the math. Our indicated was 140, hence a 10 kt tailwind.

Tec Pilot?

Your knowledge of unconfirmable numbers is incredible, therefor I ask once again, why the name?

:mad:

:eek: OffshoreIgor :eek:

Just go out and count numbers instead looking to radar :) may be you can find also some unconfirmable numbers.
There are enough unconfirmable numbers out there, enough to share between you and me.

I don't like looking to radar and prefer to smell the ship himself. Because you need a very good camera to make instrument photos of your Ka-32 flying with you in formation, i shoot the following one for you. If you look to the left upper corner you can find the right instrument on a Ka-32. I'm dreaming ?! A confirmable number!
Please note it's marked in km per hour! The absolutely VNE on sea level is red marked on 260 km/h.... But the ship isn't able to reach this speed on cruising, only on a steep dive.
You was at a 140kt steep dive formation on the KA-32 VNE when suddenly the dammned russian ship accelerated again +40kt, the pilot waved goodbye and showed you the real ship identity! It was Mr. Santini and AIRWOLF :) :) :)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...i/5c0584b3.jpg

If you have further questions... anytime my dear...

Note the "restricted" marks...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...pi/ka-32-1.jpg

Tecpilot

All I can say is "Some Mother's do Ave em!"

:eek: OffshoreIgor :eek:

Tecpilot

2 KA-32\'s are on a direct collision course at 120kt g/s each. They are 4 miles apart. When will they collide?

Will they collide?

What colour is their underwear when they do collide?

:eek: OffshoreIgor :eek:

who's wrong who's right??
 

hey offshoreigor....

sorry i interrupt this (for me a little child.) conversation...who's wrong who's right??? dosn't matter i think...but next time you maybe ask somebody who spent a lot of hours in a KA-32 and doing nothing else then sling-load ops in constructing skilifts, towers and so on all kind of altitudes and situations..

maybe that was the idea of a forum...isn't it....

and by the way...a lot of people (pilots) with several thousand hours in aerialwork feel not like they need to have such a "all explaining" nickname...

cheers guys and for everybody ...safe flying

To go back on topic…

There is in Belgium a company called “Skytech Helicopter Service”.
They operate all kinds of russian helicopters with russian registrations.

On their website they offer services in „Defence and Peace Keeping“. :suspect:

They also state to operate a Mi-10K.

Does anybody know something about this company?

OK, OK - let's ask the really important question.

Why do the Russians make such UGLY helicopters when their women are drop dead gorgeous???? :ugh:

To add my several cents worth to the discussion

W-3A - very nice machine. Lots of potential - fully de-iced machine, nice square cabin - the Polish operator who used it in Spain for firefighting had no problems with it - only problems with the factory. Management of the company still stuck in the Stalin years from my encounters with them. No threat to any western manufacturer.

KA-32 - you wouldn't get a KA-32 to 190 Kts downhill with a following wind - if the vibration didn't get you, the incredible nose down attitude would have. And probably the two rotor systems would have started to touch each other. The Vne is pretty hard to reach in level flight with maximum power, so I'd be very surprised at the 190 Kts.
But unsurpassed for lifting heavy loads.

The Poles told me that they knew of Mi-2 helicopters that would be chained to a tree, and every spring the battery would get charged, the various fittings that needed grease would get greased, the engine would get de-preserved, fuel would be added and then the helicopter would get flown for 10 hours to spray the collective farm's cherry trees. And then the engines preserved and the helicopter parked again, outside by the orchard for the rest of the year. Blades tied down - maybe. Engine covers - maybe. But no other attention till the next spring.

'Russian helicopters are Russian solutions to Russian problems.'

And just like our helicopters have difficulty surviving in Russian conditions (no hangars, spare parts difficult to find), theirs will have difficulty surviving in our (economic and technical) conditions.

Thanks Shawn,

:) :ok: :p


Forget “Skytech Helicopter Service” or other postboxes. They operate nothing except their telephone. The world is full of providers like this, if someone checks their informations, he will find allways the same helicopters or informations. Partly they tell about the same orders and photos. Mostly the providers doesn't come from this business and offer 26to loads with Mi-26 but have never seen a 500kg longline job and a Mi-26 only on a promotion tour. The system is easy, knowing a telephon number in the east, making a website and becoming a provider or sub-provider or sub-sub-sub provider. „Defence and Peace Keeping“ says it all. You can have the helicopters direct from Chechenia if the price is right. To what kind of possible customers is this offer good enough?

Sadly to report yesterday a Ka-32 helicopter with a Russian crew crashed in the Malaysian state of Sarawak, Kalimantan Island. Three Russian citizens died in the crash — the pilot, flight engineer and the mechanic. It's reported that the copter, engaged in timber-hauling, crashed under conditions of a torrential tropical rain and burst into flames in an outlying area of the jungle.

The last accident with a KA-32 in Malaysia was in April 2004. It was also a ship of the Vladivostok-based Avialift company. In this accident the pilot died.

Avialift was involved in several accidents with russian helicopters around the world. Another KA-32 accident happened on 06-15-99 in Indonesia. A Mi-8, crashed a few years ago in Haiti, where Avialift was working for the United Nations. All crewmembers died.
Avialift is only such a provider and "consultant" not a operator. hiring the ships from different russian sources.


http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:X...vialift&hl=eng

Even down here.
FWIW

Doesn't the "ER-" registration mean the aircraft is registrated in Eritrea?

There's a feature on the operation of Russian types in this week's Flight International here.

I/C

The "ER" is from Republic of Moldova....Eastern Europe. If I`m not mistaken HeliHarvest has two Mi-17, the ER-MHA and ER-MHB.

All I can say about the Russian helicopters is this: leave them for two years outside exposed to the elements(snow, wind, sand) and then go back to them...put some fuel in them and they`ll start like if they were in use all these years. Rugged mashines. I can say I have quite some experience on these beasts(Mi-8 and Mi-17). They will get any job you want done. We had to lift 100 tons of construction materials to an altitude of 1800meters. We did it in 3 days because of bad visibility on the mountain top.

And I can confirm tecpilot`s numbers :D

TecPilot.... You make good and bad points. I don't have time to list all your errors right now but will get to them in time.

Firstly, an Mi 8 has 2 Hydraulic tanks, not one as you stated. The Primary and Secondary hydraulic systems are completely independent of each other except that they work through one set of servo actuators - unlike e.g. a Puma which has 2 sets.

Secondly, I have read every English translated Flight and Maintenance manual supplied by the factories and I challenge you to show me where your sentence "...For Gods sake don't pull the collective at more than 1 degree per second" is found.

Doesn't exist.

PS All your engine stats are quite easy to quote for anyone who can type "google".

Just one tank holding 22l hydraulic fluid. Two independent hydraulic pressure circles, supplied by the single tank. But only one ist the primary system fullfilling all tasks. The secondary system is only a limited "Emergency System".
Limited as example on the following parts:
1. No AP. The AP is normally (1. system) full time on work. Damping the ship reactions and works on condition as a 3 axis AP.
2. Only manual deblocking of the collective. On the primary system the collective is deblocked by the hydraulic system.
3. No angle limiting on the swashplate as normally on the primary system.

Thats the situation on a common 20 years old ex soviet union Mi-8T with the TV2-117A.
Fully redundant only on the newer Mi-17, Mi171, Mi-8MTV, but this versions are also equipped with other engines, other electronics and APU. Nearly other helicopters...

I have flown the ship first time long before Google. Looking forward to my other errors. To err is human.

Hey Tecpilot,

If the MI-8(MTV) is so great, why does the UN want to get rid of them?

Cheers,

:eek: OffshoreIgor :eek:

Offshoreigor - no prob's with Russian heli's and only reason why UN wants to get shot of them is maybe they are tired of being bled dry by ex Eastern bloc operators offering plenty but delivering zilch as well as having too many accidents especially weather related ones. When operated by Western crew, which carries it's price which the UN seem no to want to pay, there are no accidents and the job gets done efficiently. The Mil-8MTV is an excellent machine and the Kamov KA32 isn't half bad either.

To continue on the topic, without slagging people of. Spanish helicopter operator Helisureste signed a contract for the delivery of two Ka-32s. It doesn't say so on their website (or it might, don't speak Spanish).

And what about that air service between two small island in Malta, they've used the Mi-8T for a couple of years, and quite intensive in the summer season.

The south Korean are also using heaps and heaps of Kamovs, but this was done in a barter deal (debt for military hardware). So not completly fair to put it down to the qualities of the Helix....

Off all Russian helicopters I like the Ka-226 the most, looks ugly but I thought it was a nifty idea to be able to de-attach the passenger cabin and use it for aerial crane work instead. I like modular things....

Spain to purchase Russia's fire fighting helicopters
17:16 | 28/ 11/ 2005

MOSCOW, November 28 (RIA Novosti) - Spanish company Helisureste will purchase two fire fighting helicopters from Russia's Kamov producer under a contract signed late last week, the Russian company said Monday.

"Considering Helisureste's last contract, the Kamov will supply four Ka-32 helicopters in 2006," the company said.

The Spanish company has been operating Ka-32 helicopters since 1995. In 2004 and 2004, the company received four Ka-32 helicopters and has successfully employed them since then to put out fires in Europe, the company said.

Helisureste's technical director said the 2005 fire-fighting season proved the Ka-32 helicopters to be the best in the world in terms of their performance.

The Ka-32 is a multi-purpose helicopter certified in Russia, Canada, Switzerland, Taiwan, South Korea and Mexico. The helicopter is used for fire fighting, rescue operations, construction, assembly, transportation operations in the mountains, rough terrain at low and high temperatures and can perform day or night, despite low visibility.

The biggest reason that you won't see a Russian helicopter Type Certified in the US anytime soon is because ther is no Bilateral agreement betwen US and Russia that allows it. The only agreement that is in place as of today is to allow some Russian airplanes with US avionics, engines, and propellers into the US. These agreements are put together by departments of state or there equvalent agencies.

I have 1100 hrs in various Russian helicopters from the Mi-2 through the 35P and the Ka-32, and they are all good machines with some limitations, just like all helicopters. They would not be certifiable in the U.S. FAA world for standard category without a lot of waivers and changes. They are incredibly cheap to buy and for that reason would cause a lot of grief to the US OEM's who sell helicopters for big bucks. In my opinion, for the Secretaries of the U.S. Departments of State and Transportation to allow a bilateral opening the doors for Russian helicopter certification in any category except "Experimental" would cost someone their political career.airplanes

Hey Tecpilot,

Can I ask you to review this previous posted link?

http://www.augustoheli.com/videostuf...le/default.asp

Just scroll down to the vid called "Russian Helicopter crashes into trees"

Cheers,

:eek: OffshoreIgor :eek:

offshoreigor

i know this impressive tragic video. 10 years ago when i was flying the ship the bank of a Mi-8 T or P or PS was limited to 30°. :(

For TECPILOT

INFO :

Skytech is operating since 92 at least three giant Mil MI 26T from Belgium - I applied for a job with them and still hope - saw them paradroping 11.000 skydivers over a few days during space boogie in Vichy France in 94

The boss of Skytech flew in with a N registered B206 BIII and flew a few dropping as captain on the MI 26 and same day he flew back to Belgium (?) - cool

You can see the MI 26T parked in Belgium 2 x MI 26T in EBCI airport and 1 x MI 26T in EBLG airport but mostly used for Fire Fighting in Italy and according to SEI of Canada (the Bambi bucket manufacturer) it's SKYTECH who co-developped the TBB the 20.000 per drop system for the MI 26

http://www.sonnet.com/usr/wildfire/mi26t.html

http://www.fly-net.org/aeromedia/mil26gb.html

Also a few of their helicopters MI 8/17 are in Pakistan with the Red Cross - I saw them

Not that bad .....for a mail box only -??-

when/where did you flew in Malaysia ???
Aye Juan:ok:

Juan,

just read the registration marks on the ships and you will see that Skytech seems to be the first "operator" in JAA land without incountry registered a/c. :) Operators need in JAA land an AOC, the crews need a valid national or JAA licence, the ships need a certification, all such points i couldn't find on Skytech :) :) :)
Mi-26 or Mi-8, anyway you will not find a belgium registered or operated ship in Pakistan. Operators of such ships you will find in Russia or Ukraina. All you will find are providers. The definition of Skytech to be an "operator" isn't the JAA definition... but operator isn't a trademark.

thks Ian Corrigible
 

re-aye

I was looking for the name of the Skytech's boss to contact him directly for a job , and your link to the Flight magazine answered me .

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...vy+horses.html


But Lakhanisky .. that's not sounding very belgian ?? isnt it

thks & cheers

Juan,

:ok:

Aye, - Tec Pilot

.....A mail box supplying MI 17\'s to UK Gov. .......wohaaaaaaa

I should work for such a mail box

http://www.flightinternational.com/A...vy+horses.html

no harm - cheers

Juan,:ok: :cool: :ok:

thks TECPILOT

I don\'t care whom is the \"operator\" but whom run the business front line and provide me with a job and pay.

May be if SKYTECH is working in such places and for such customers, they don\'t need to be an operator as may be they are THE operator ?

By the way, when I first visited them in early nineties they was running also some MD 500 commercially on sling jobs- and I am 100% sure those was belgian registered as I have a pic showing a Skytech\'s MD 500 with OO-TLK marks on.

Now how can they \"operate\" MI 26T as per JAA if the MI 26T uncertified or unregistered ? especially for governments like fire fighting in Italy ?

The MI 26T wit RA markings have been with Skytech around and everywhere in Europe since the nineties,- so what rules applies and to whom ?

And what about the crews if the licences are delivered according an ICAO standard (mine Spanish) with a correct type rating ?

Never the less, this Skytech\'s boss flew the N registered brand new B 206 and the RA registered MI 26 in the same hour, in front of me - so I guess that I should be able to be granted the same privileges by competent authorities - but how? and whom? any MI 17 free lance pilots around?




Aye Juan :ok: :ok: :ok:

Having the right license is always the issue with flying Russian built equipment so there are possibly not too many freelance Mil drivers out there. If the machine is on the RA register a western pilot will not be able to fly it as Putin declared that only Russians will be issued with Russian licenses so trying with Skytech might be a lost cause, Juan. The Skytech fella obviously being Russian has Russian and FAA licenses.

There are other possibilities but then a pilot will be restricted to flying the machines registered to that country e.g. Bulgaria, Moldova etc and even then they will need to have an operator sponsor a license for them and there are not too many of those around.

Let's clarify
 

NotHomeMuch

You're right in part
>>>If the machine is on the RA register a western pilot will not be able to fly it as Putin declared that only Russians will be issued with Russian licenses so trying with Skytech might be a lost cause, Juan.

If this RA-registered ship operated under permanent or temp.contract in other countries then RUS,crew may be non-Russian,and even don't have to have rus-issued licences
BUT they need Type Rating in Mil-8/17 anyway.
So,we are in Russia may hire western pilots on ships with N-reg,or let's say P4-reg.:)
But you need to know Russian language

The "Helitankers" (page 1 of this thread) were registered in Sao Tome (S9). All of the Mi-14 were some years old ex military and nearly without civ papers and history books. But be sure, somewhere in this world it's possible to find a little ICAO country providing the crew and the ship with the necessary papers. And no sweet, they are not interested to look at ship and crew :) :) :)

But the idea to convert the ships was great! Really powerful water bombers. I'm not sure if the Mi-14 is at least in Russia civ certified :confused: But may be someone will convert one day the first SeaStallion to a Sao Tome civ Firefighter ;)

helitankers MI 14 Eliminator
 

Aye all,

I Looked also for a job a few years ago with Aerotech the german company operating those MI 14s

The MI 14 was type certified ( civilian) in Ukraine in a restricted category and those MI 14 have been operated sucessfully by Aerotech in Spain and in Portugal circa 95-98

At least two of those MI 14 was exported to the U.S - see Helicopter World magazine of October 96


For TEC PILOT // Sao Tome & Principe 's Civil Aviation airworthiness department are sub-contracted to VERITAS

http://www.bureauveritas.com/homepage_frameset.html

The same VERITAS provide airworthiness follow up on behalf of Civil Aviation offices with most of the French spoken countries including France and Luxembourg

You will for sure not get any "complaisance" from them, nor from Civil Aviation of Spain and Portugal who accepted those MI 14 to operate in their juridictions.

even if demilitarized those helicopters wasn't any sort of junks but all the contrary

Some older CH 53s are now converted by HEAVY LIFT USA for fire fighting in the U.S.

By the way the very first operator of Russian helicopters in USA was PHI of Lafayette USA, whom imported and registered one MI 10 Russian skycrane "Harke " and one MI 8 back in the mid-sixties - http://avia.russian.ee/vertigo/mi-10-r.html

Apparently the PHI 's MI 10 ended his life in Central America few decades later

cheers - Juan:ok: