hi,
the problem is that Italy doesn'tissue JAA medical certificates, not yet.
I suppose I'll have to undergo the whole visit, or is it?
Could they simply convert my italian class 1 to a UK JAA class 1? What did I pay 250£ for, then?

:ugh:

according to the CAA website Italy is a fully JAA mutal state. Your best bet is to phone the UK CAA and dicuss your situation with them, they are very friendly and will get you sorted about what you need or need not do.

Hi,
italy is fully JAA recognised except for medicals. That should change within some months though..
Anyway, I'll try to talk about it with the CAA eployees..thanks!

Colour perception test..
 

Hi.. Has anybody been to Amsterdam (Aeromedical Expert Centre) for a JAA 1st class initial ??..

How is the Beyne lantern they use? I have been told that the colours they use are single flashes of blue, green, yellow, orange and red.. but some others like LGW/CAA talks also about white instead of yellow in the same Beyne lantern.. anybody have been threw it? Anybody knows more?

Thanks..

colours
 

Dear fellow,

I went there. First test is to connect 7 coloured whires to eachother. After that the test begins.

They will show you coloured dots (1/2cm diameter) for about half a second. like a strobe. It can be green, red, orange, blue or yellow. you tell them what you saw and it is ok or not. I believe its 3 series of 5 flashes. distance is about 2 meters.

Thats it.

Good luck and greets

white

Thanks..
 

I will let you know the outcome. Are they easy on the test? nice people?

I don´t understand why one lantern is different from the other.
Beyne in LGW I´ve heard is white-green-red-amber-blue at a distance of 5 meters and this one does not have white and it is at a distance of 2 meters. ¿?

If I fail (I hope not) I will keep on trying others as some people has post in this forum that failing one does not mean failing others.

Cheers..

Well Strobe,

I never met any doctor of an AMC who was as good/nice as them.
It is a small company but the best in holland. They really try to let you pass the test. I did not pass it but I believe I can with a little bit of luck. Of all the series I missed 2 colours. (red as orange and yellow as green)

Normaly these colours are easilly to distinquish but they are so small and so damn fast. The first time I asked the doc. when the test is going to begin and het told me: didnt you see the light? I said uhh which one? Now you can imagine how fast the light fashes (1x)

Concentrate on the center of the screen and you will see it.
This is the website of the AMS. It is 5 minutes (by taxi) from EHAM in Hoofddorp.
http://www.alc-srv.com/


You can also do the anomaloscope. It is a different test and it is another AMS. It is in Maarssen near Utrecht.
http://www.aviationmedical.com/

When is the moment of truth?

good luck and keep me posted.

white

guys,
what kind of test do they use to test color blindness at Gatwick?
Do they only use ishihara or something else in case you don't pass it?
I really need to know as much as possible about it!
In case there are more than one test, can somebody tell me which one is more difficult and which one is easier, and why?
thank you!

Hi Alberto,

They always begin with the Ishihara test. (The coloured dots)

If your colour perception is insufficient you need to pass a practical test.
I believe it's the beyne. A serie of coloured lights need to be identified. white red and green. No errors are allowed.

If you pass you will receive a class 1 medical certificate.

You can find much more info of this test in the previous posts.

greetz

white

Hi WhiteLabel
 

Thanks for your response.. the moment of truth is coming..
Did you pass the coloured wire thing?

Cheers,

Hee strobe,

Yes I passed the whire test but that is not enough. That test is piece of cake. on the left side you see 7 whires. those ones are numbered. Also the right you see 7 whires with different colours in a random sequence from A to G.

You say 1 matches F
2 matches C
etc.

This is only a warm up. The real test is the 1 with the flashes.

greetzzzz,

white

:ok:

testing facilities
 

It would appear that there may be a way of getting a JAR Class1 medical for colour defectives BUT what mutually recognised state and which madical/eye practioners are most "liberal". Does anyone have the name of an establishment and a practioner?

hello ,
can somebody tell me what to chose between the Nagel anomaloscope and the spectrolux?Which one is easier ? Would anybody suggest me to receive them in holland?

I failed the holmes-wright test at Gatwick and I've been told to try those tests in order to recover a full Class1.

I'll be waiting for any response, thank you!

For Tony and Alberto..

If you read the whole CVD thread you may find lots of answers to your questions. Tony, I don´t think it´s about "liberal", you may fail one test but pass others due to your colour vision level of defficiency. Most medical examiners, especially at AMC/AMS, where initial examinations are done, goes strictly by rules. What you can ask them, maybe, it is just to do the colour vision test "unoficially" (some accept it and some don´t). What I suggest is to try all the lanterns and maybe you´ll find the way somewhere somehow. In my humble opinion this absurd CVD stuff will end up changing, but it is just an opinion.

Alberto, did you also fail the Beyne lantern at Gatwick? in my experience with colour vision testing, the Nagel Anomaloscope is the hardest one but like somebody said, what it is not good for one, maybe good for others.

Good luck.. and keep on trying!!:ok:

No I did not fail the Beyne lantern test, I only failed the holmes-wright!
I know some one will tell me to go and do a search but I can't really find any information about the spectrolux!
Would this be harder or easier than the anomaloscope?
I really don't know what to do, If to try these tests or simply give up.

Alberto, if you pass Beyne in Gatwick you don´t have to do Holmes-Wright.. :confused: so.. you failed, you passed or you didn´t do it??:hmm:

i think it was the beyne lantern which I passed. After ishihara (3 mistakes), I was asked to sit on a chair and there was an obscured corridor in front of me which may have been about 4 or 5 meters long.In front of me, on the bottom of this corridor, there was going to be a sort of slideshow of circles. Each of them was divided into 2 semi-circles differently colored. I remember I had to call about 6 or 5 different colors. Well I suppose this was the Beyne lantern test, or is it? I'm confused. Anyway I know I have been given a restricted Class 1 at the end.

Colour Blindness, Ins and Outs?
 

Was wondering if there is anyone that would be able to shed some light for me on colour blindness. As I am, when I found out for the fist time a few years back when I did my first ever medical.
Currently fly in Oz but wondering what other country's policy is on this medical condition which I found out can be quite common in males, (apparently passed down from your mothers genes)

Will it effect me greatly when I wish to fly elsewhere over the globe or just a minor problem. Has anyone else been troubled by this problem. Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Cheers

HS :cool:

In the UK you can take two types of test.
The most common is the Ishihara test which consists of pictures made of coloured dots.
If you fail that then you can take a lantern test where they show you pairs of lights and you have to tell them which colours are showing.
If you pass the lantern test then you are OK. If you fail it then you get your licence restricted to day VFR and you are not to use airfields where they use lights as the primary communication method.
(I don't understand why you cannot do IFR as most of the instruments I have seen do not rely on colour)
If you are colour blind, you can still progress to CPL and FI but with the same restrictions.

Cheers for the information regarding the lantern testing Three Blades. Should not be a problem then hopefully. Was wanting to travel abroad in the next year or two after getting 3-4000hrs or so of experience up and being more employable over seas.

Will have to look into the bigger machines also before going over as my experience is limited to mustering at the curent time so havn't seen much of the turbine side of things. Enjoy the mustering side of things so will stick with it for a few more years anyway.

HS
:cool: