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David Clarke 27th June 2009 20:12

Many thanks to all those that replied, much appreciated.

Dave.

heli1 1st July 2009 09:51

Looking through can't see reference to the EC155s in Vietnam (3 now with SSFC and NSFC on offshore ? ).
Anyone know more...pix... ??

David Clarke 2nd July 2009 13:57

VN-8601 is 6645, have a good picture of this but have asked SSFC for permission to use but no reply from them.

Dave

David Clarke 10th July 2009 05:53

USCG designations
 
Hi all, been trying to find out if the USCG Dauphins have had their designation changed since they have been refitted with Ariels. with their original LTS engines they were SA366G1, what are they now? Technically they should be AS565MB`s, anyone any idea?

Dave


Ian Corrigible 10th July 2009 18:35

New designation = AS366GA

I/C

calaim 13th July 2009 22:32

Try to contact Heliportugal www.heliportugal.pt

bleepup 14th July 2009 07:07

I hear NHV have started their EC155 training now with HeliHolland, when does their new SNS contract start?

David Clarke 15th July 2009 22:55

NHV`s first 155 is currently in Ostende I believe, OO-NHJ, should be in service very soon.

Dave


LOBUN 6th November 2009 19:03

Who´s the best Simulators Company
 
Hi, i´m Diego from Uruguay, i´m flying bell 212 but may be i´ll become a Dauphin Pilot in a wild, who knows about simulators. My boss asked me about Sim Training Companies to send our AS 365 n2 crew members but... who can recomend me some company
Thanks

Fafe 6th November 2009 19:40

In my opinion, Helisim (Marignane) is the best.
I have gone there many times.

Droopy 6th November 2009 19:41

Will second Helisim, just try and avoid the 0400-0600 slot!

hostile 22nd August 2010 04:50

Dauphin N2 schematics
 
Hi there,

Anybody has good electrical, hydraulic and MGB schematics (other than RFM has) for Dauphin?

Thanks, :8

Brilliant Stuff 22nd August 2010 11:02

We used to learn from the engineer training manual which I am sure has got what you want sadly though I no longer have access to that. Maybe someone else has.

[email protected] 22nd August 2010 14:26

Schematics
 
I have a tech manual for the AS365 which If I remember has the schematics as well.

I'm away at the moment but as soon as i get back tomorrow I'll check to see what i have.

hostile 22nd August 2010 16:42

I am appreciating your help. If you have a change to scan and send me a couple of schematics. It would be very helpful to look back again to Dauphin. I had that Tech manual, but I leaved everything to my home country which is too far to go look. It was good manual with pictures.

Hostile:ok:

Greeny9 23rd August 2010 09:07

Hi, send me a pm with your email and I'll attach the info. to it. Can't seem to attach files through PPRUNE

hostile 24th August 2010 15:24

Greeny9,

Sent you a pm.

Hostile:)

[email protected] 24th August 2010 19:53

Hi Hostile.

Go here RotorInfo. Select Library and under Eurocopter - Library - AS365 Sections you'll find a list of Electrical, Main Rotor and Hydraulic PDF's. See if they help.

hostile 25th August 2010 00:59

Thanks bhl. great website!

:ok:

mzgoulden 27th October 2010 11:01

AS365
 
Could anyone please tell me, if there is an existing mod to install a side mounted FLIR or Nightsun frame to the AS365.

Thanks

Michael

Te_Kahu 27th October 2010 11:27

Helipro had FLIR and Nitesun mounts on the Dauphin they used to operate.

TK

sunnywa 27th October 2010 11:34

MZ,

Eurocopter make mounts that go on the sides of the 365 just behind the pilots and co-pilots doors. To these you attach your gadgets. There are also a lot of other mounting systems out there that aren't EC. Google photos of as365 for a lot of different views. :O

griffothefog 27th October 2010 16:21

Back in the mid eighties the aircraft was called a SA365N.....
Or am I wrong? :confused:
The constant referral to AS365N really pisses me orrrfff. :E
OK.... Too much time on my hands...:{

cpt 27th October 2010 17:38

Yes Griffothefog, it's a bit confusing indeed...."SA" is from "Sud Aviation" wich became "Aérospatiale" in the late 70's and "SA" turned into a "AS"
The SA365 is an upgraded twin engine version of the single engine SA 360 dating from eary 70's.
When in 1978 "Sud-Aviation" became "Aérospatiale" developments of the SA 365 were called AS365.....
Since 92, it's "EC" (Eurocopter)

Brilliant Stuff 27th October 2010 18:45

Yupp Griff I am with you on that one.

Aucky 15th February 2021 15:12

CAT II ILS
 
Question for a colleague. I’m not familiar with the AS365, or offshore LVO ops.

Is the 365N3 certified for CAT II ILS operations?

[email protected] 15th February 2021 17:02

I don't know for sure but I doubt it. The ones I flew only had 3-axis AP but would fly a coupled ILS down to either 60' or 80' agl and then reduce speed along the runway until the IAS hold dropped out.

Kulwin Park 18th February 2021 10:21

Morning Aucky have you purchased these Dauphins from the Australian Victoria Police? They head to Europe somewhere, from Melbourne Australia.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b316bed99f.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f7c54c99a1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c59be60945.jpg


Aucky 18th February 2021 14:54

Nothing that exciting - a colleague is performing T-PED testing and the allowable tolerances change depending on the certification level. The TCDS and RFM don’t explicitly mention a limit on CAT I approaches, or a minimum allowable DH, so one may be able to argue they are not limited to CAT I. Having never flown with an SPA.LVO approval it is not my area...

[email protected] 18th February 2021 16:35

You are limited to Cat 1 DH of 200' regardless - that is the limit of CAT1 ILS procedure, its not an RFM limit.

Aucky 19th February 2021 01:16


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10992984)
You are limited to Cat 1 DH of 200' regardless - that is the limit of CAT1 ILS procedure, its not an RFM limit.

Only if the aircraft is limited to CAT I. Where does it say it is?

nomorehelosforme 19th February 2021 01:22


Originally Posted by Kulwin Park (Post 10992785)
Morning Aucky have you purchased these Dauphins from the Australian Victoria Police? They head to Europe somewhere, from Melbourne Australia.

https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....b316bed99f.jpg
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f7c54c99a1.jpg
https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....c59be60945.jpg

So does anyone have any idea where these are ending up?

[email protected] 19th February 2021 06:15


Only if the aircraft is limited to CAT I. Where does it say it is?
what I mean is that when you fly a Cat 1 ILS, your minima can never be less than 200' - it is a procedure limitation not an aircraft one.

You can only fly Cat II ILS at airports with the appropriate ground lighting and equipment.

Many helicopters are physically capable of flying lower than Cat I limits - it depends on the AP fit but to legally fly Cat II I think you would have to jump through a number of regulatory hoops.

I get the impression you want to fly CAT II ILS using an i-pad or similar, is that the case?

Aucky 19th February 2021 10:10


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 10993280)
what I mean is that when you fly a Cat 1 ILS, your minima can never be less than 200' - it is a procedure limitation not an aircraft one.

You can only fly Cat II ILS at airports with the appropriate ground lighting and equipment.

Many helicopters are physically capable of flying lower than Cat I limits - it depends on the AP fit but to legally fly Cat II I think you would have to jump through a number of regulatory hoops.

I get the impression you want to fly CAT II ILS using an i-pad or similar, is that the case?

Thanks Crab. Yes I understand what the CAT 1 minima are, and no I’m not flying them on my iPad 😂.

The regulatory hoops you refer to are a special approval for low visibility operations (SPA.LVO). My question is ‘Is the 365N3 certified for CAT II ILS operations?’ I.e. with the regulatory approvals in place. Or, is it limited to CAT I, meaning you would never be granted the approval.

The AW169 RFM, for example, states “The helicopter is certified to carry out CAT I ILS approaches up to 4 degs glideslope”. I would argue therefore it is has not yet been certified to conduct CAT II ILS operations and you would probably not be granted the approval, but I haven’t found such a ‘limitation’ on the AS365. That’s not to say it would necessarily meet the requirements to gain approval...

AMC4 SPA.LVO.100 states The DH for CAT II and OTS CAT II operation should not be lower than the highest of:
(i) the minimum DH specified in the AFM, if stated;
(ii) the minimum height to which the precision approach aid can be used without the specified visual reference;
(iii) the applicable OCH for the category of aeroplane;
(iv) the DH to which the flight crew is qualified to operate; or
(v) 100 ft....

... prompting my question on whether there is a minimum DH specified for the AS365. It has nothing to do with the prescribed CAT I minima of 200ft.

AMC2.SPA.LVO - LVO approval doesn’t specify anything which would automatically rule out the AS365N3 from gaining approval.

Given the number of people who have flown offshore and SAR with the 365N3 my questions didn’t intend to get overly technical, other than to understand whether anyone had ever gained approval to fly to less than CAT I minima.

(Reference to T-PED testing is because the allowable interference with nav kit is stricter if conducting CAT II/III operations).

rudestuff 20th February 2021 06:05

I'll translate: has anyone here ever seen an AS365 certified to fly a Cat II ILS?

[email protected] 20th February 2021 08:38


... prompting my question on whether there is a minimum DH specified for the AS365. It has nothing to do with the prescribed CAT I minima of 200ft.
Ok, so now we know what we are talking about - as I mentioned, the N3s that I flew with a 3 axis AP could be flown down to 75' radalt on a coupled ILS but that was an aircraft capability not a regulatory permission to do so - I used to demonstrate it to my students VMC at the end of a normal CAT I ILS when we had been cleared to land.

I can't see how Airbus would put a limit in the RFM that was higher than they had equipped the aircraft for and the 4-axis AP with SAR modes can take you to the hover IMC.

I think it will just be regulatory permissions you require as long as you have a rad alt and twin ILS receivers.

The quote from the 169 RFM is a red herring - the limitation is all about the steepness of the approach due to the increase in RoD and its effects on stability and the pressure instruments accuracy - it may also factor in OEI go around capability. That is why it specifies a maximum glideslope angle which is not unusual but 4 degrees is quite a low limit - I'm sure you know that 3 degrees is the norm.


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