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Variable Load 10th Mar 2022 18:20

Wiking Helicopters
 
It appears Wiking are in serious financial trouble. Many UK based staff have not been paid for months, with nothing but excuses being made from Germany.

If you are considering taking on a position with Wiking, I suggest you think twice.

If you are employed by Wiking at the moment, I would try and apply as much pressure as you reasonably can. That usually involves removing the service to the customer! I wish you well.

heli1 15th Mar 2022 08:48

Has this been substantiated or is it just a gripe from someone trying to stir things? We should know...

chopper2004 15th Mar 2022 10:33


Originally Posted by Variable Load (Post 11197965)
It appears Wiking are in serious financial trouble. Many UK based staff have not been paid for months, with nothing but excuses being made from Germany.

If you are considering taking on a position with Wiking, I suggest you think twice.

If you are employed by Wiking at the moment, I would try and apply as much pressure as you reasonably can. That usually involves removing the service to the customer! I wish you well.

Are you on about the Beccles operation with the H145 supporting the Windfarms? Me and my missus drove past there few weekends ago on the way to Southwold.

They spent a fair bit of money on the Hangar.

As I type , their H145 is inbound to here at EGSC.

cheers

Variable Load 15th Mar 2022 18:37

I'm stirring things up only in so much as I hope the owners do the right thing and pay their staff what they are due.

If everyone stays quiet then they win!



FlyingDutch2012 21st Mar 2022 21:48


Originally Posted by Variable Load (Post 11200397)
I'm stirring things up only in so much as I hope the owners do the right thing and pay their staff what they are due.

If everyone stays quiet then they win!

That’s your role here? Being some kind of helicopter messiah?

Please check your facts since what you wrote initially is wrong.

It is just trying to cause damage here. For what purpose?

KiwiNedNZ 22nd Mar 2022 03:18


Many UK based staff have not been paid for months,
I call B/S as if someone hasnt been paid for months I would guarantee sure as ****e they aint working there anymore.

Variable Load 22nd Mar 2022 06:04

What a shame at the reactions. Obviously there's some that don't care about staff being treated properly and fairly. All I can do assure you that there is no personal agenda, nothing underhand, and what I stated is based on fact. I don't wish to say any more as I hope the situation gets sorted soon.

After that you can all drawn your own conclusions and make your own life choices.

FlyingDutch2012 22nd Mar 2022 07:18


Originally Posted by Variable Load (Post 11203740)
What a shame at the reactions. Obviously there's some that don't care about staff being treated properly and fairly. All I can do assure you that there is no personal agenda, nothing underhand, and what I stated is based on fact. I don't wish to say any more as I hope the situation gets sorted soon.

After that you can all drawn your own conclusions and make your own life choices.

Sure.

You really believe that it’s even possible for an employer not to pay for months? Or even a month? How many court cases are now ongoing? Ever heard about labour law?

Do your fact check. No anonymous trial by forum posts.

212man 22nd Mar 2022 09:04


Originally Posted by FlyingDutch2012 (Post 11203766)
Sure.

You really believe that it’s even possible for an employer not to pay for months? Or even a month? How many court cases are now ongoing? Ever heard about labour law?

Do your fact check. No anonymous trial by forum posts.

I imagine anyone working for Caverton will have burst out laughing when they read that!

neebother 26th Mar 2022 20:02

Something about smoke and fire?

While I would like to see Wiking succeed, the company does have some internal turbulence. Either paying or crewing/rostering. Maybe a disgruntled employee needed to get something of his or her chest,..?

smile 412 14th Apr 2022 21:32

Today is a good day for Wiking the CEO has left the company. Now 5 helicopter of 7 on ground due to technical reason. No spare parts on stock?

RVDT 14th Apr 2022 22:14

Indirectly owned/operated out of Turkey? I think it is controlled by one of their previous customers.

smile 412 15th Jun 2022 19:51

New Infos from today Wiking Helikopter Service is in Solvency.

Medevac999 16th Jun 2022 05:43


Originally Posted by smile 412 (Post 11246668)
New Infos from today Wiking Helikopter Service is in Solvency.

oh dear! Restructuring or biting the dust?

helihub 16th Jun 2022 16:30


Originally Posted by smile 412 (Post 11246668)
New Infos from today Wiking Helikopter Service is in Solvency.

I would expect that if they went into insolvency, then there would be a pause in flying while some "administrative matters" got sorted out. However, as I type this, three of the fleet are airborne and a fourth flew earlier in the day

GoodGrief 16th Jun 2022 20:34

I don't see Wiking in the official insolvency register.

smile 412 16th Jun 2022 21:08

GoodGrief for your info:10 IN 46/22: In dem Insolvenzantragsverfahren über das Vermögen der WIKING Helikopter Service GmbH, JadeWeserAirport, Flugplatz 1, 26452 Sande (AG Oldenburg, HRB 207825), vertr. d.: Thorsten Vogt, Am Roland 27, 40883 Ratingen, (Geschäftsführer), ist am 15.06.2022 um 15:45 Uhr die vorläufige Verwaltung des Vermögens der Antragstellerin angeordnet worden. Verfügungen der Antragstellerin sind nur mit Zustimmung des vorläufigen Insolvenzverwalters wirksam. Zum vorläufigen Insolvenzverwalter ist Dr. Christian Kaufmann, c/o PLUTA Rechtsanwalts GmbH, An der Reeperbahn 2, 28217 Bremen, Tel.: 0421/835008-0, Fax: 0421/835008-49, E-Mail: [email protected], Internet: www.pluta.net bestellt worden.Sorry the message is only in German!!!!

Torquetalk 16th Jun 2022 22:51


Originally Posted by helihub (Post 11247163)
I would expect that if they went into insolvency, then there would be a pause in flying while some "administrative matters" got sorted out. However, as I type this, three of the fleet are airborne and a fourth flew earlier in the day

Chapter 11 in the US allows protection from creditors insitsing on the business paying outstanding debts: which can force a bankrupcy. If there is a viable business to be rescued, turning and burning to get through an insolvency is better than a bankrupcy. If not, it's just delaying the inevitable.

domperry76 17th Jun 2022 17:14

From FlightGlobal:
German offshore transport specialist Wiking Helikopter Service has entered administration on the back of rising fuel costs, loss-making contracts and the lingering effects of the coronavirus pandemic.

Sande-based Wiking was placed into administration on 15 June, with Dr Christian Kaufmann of Bremen insolvency practitioner Pluta Rechtsanwalts provisionally appointed to handle the company’s affairs by a Wilhelmshaven court, German insolvency service documents show.

Pluta blames the financial problems on the effects of Covid-19 on the business, alongside “unprofitable long-term contracts, as well as significantly higher energy and fuel costs, an unfavorable financing structure and considerable pension costs.”

Flight operations will continue while options for restructuring are analysed, Pluta adds.

Founded in 1975, Wiking operates in the North Sea region – including a UK subsidiary, Wiking Helicopters Ltd – specialising in the offshore transport of maintenance personnel to windfarms and of pilots to ships.

Wiking flies a fleet of five Airbus Helicopters H145 light-twins and five Leonardo Helicopters AW139 intermediate-twins, Cirium fleets data shows; it has two more AW139s on order.

Operations were carried out from four bases: Emden, Husum and Sande in Germany, plus Wick in Northern Scotland.

helicrazi 17th Jun 2022 19:32


Originally Posted by helihub (Post 11247163)
I would expect that if they went into insolvency, then there would be a pause in flying while some "administrative matters" got sorted out. However, as I type this, three of the fleet are airborne and a fourth flew earlier in the day

Obviously not then!

Milo C 18th Jun 2022 02:00

More than a rumour it seems
 
https://www.flightglobal.com/helicop...149048.article


RVDT 18th Jun 2022 06:05

Used their hangar in Sande to do a few bits and bobs on a 135 back in 2011 when a lot of the founding staff were still there. Outstanding bunch with a wealth of experienced and capable people then.

They probably did most of the heavy maintenance for S76's in Continental EU. The workshop as you can appreciate being in Germany didn't lack for anything to do just about whatever you could imagine.

They used to manufacture a lot of airframe parts in house to keep a few old "B" model 76's going. It was about the time they operated their first AW139 which drew a few candid comments!

Guess the place has changed considerably but still not great to hear of the current woes............

snakepit 18th Jun 2022 07:09


Originally Posted by Variable Load (Post 11197965)
It appears Wiking are in serious financial trouble. Many UK based staff have not been paid for months, with nothing but excuses being made from Germany.

If you are considering taking on a position with Wiking, I suggest you think twice.

If you are employed by Wiking at the moment, I would try and apply as much pressure as you reasonably can. That usually involves removing the service to the customer! I wish you well.

You’ve got to hand it to VL, he called it and despite the doubters, he was spot on!

212man 18th Jun 2022 09:15

Yes - well anyone who knows who VL is would also know that his sources/information are likely to be accurate, and he is not likely to be making stuff up.

helihub 18th Jun 2022 13:23


Chapter 11 in the US allows protection from creditors insitsing on the business paying outstanding debts: which can force a bankrupcy. If there is a viable business to be rescued, turning and burning to get through an insolvency is better than a bankrupcy. If not, it's just delaying the inevitable.
@Torquetalk >> absolutely - and US Chapter 11 is similar to UK "Administration" where there is the expectation of coming out the other side "leaner and meaner" than before. In practice there is usually brief halt to get the paperwork done to establish (eg) who is now the signatory authority on contracts etc. I've seen a 50-year-old family business be forced into that UK system at close hand. In official legal wording, "bankruptcy" in the UK can only be linked to persons, not companies.

helihub 18th Jun 2022 13:26

Is the UK part of Wiking implicated in this? Wiking UK is 51% owned on paper by a 79-year old British national and a combined 48.5% by three members of the Turkish family who own Wiking Germany's UHC Basari Holding (ie not owned on paper via Wiking Germany). It's only the last 0.5% that shows as being owned by Wiking Germany. There would clearly be an "intercompany account" between UK and Germany which may come into play, though.

Parapex fleet data and WINGX activity data show that the one of the five H145s in the combined Wiking fleet has never flown for the company since import to the UK through LHR cargo from PHI Australia on 1st May, one AW139 has not flown since 7th February. Additionally Wiking UK have a base at Beccles in Suffolk, not just the one at Wick in Scotland

Torquetalk 19th Jun 2022 07:07


Originally Posted by helihub (Post 11248186)
@Torquetalk >> absolutely - and US Chapter 11 is similar to UK "Administration" where there is the expectation of coming out the other side "leaner and meaner" than before. In practice there is usually brief halt to get the paperwork done to establish (eg) who is now the signatory authority on contracts etc. I've seen a 50-year-old family business be forced into that UK system at close hand. In official legal wording, "bankruptcy" in the UK can only be linked to persons, not companies.

Now you say it that makes sense, haven't heard the term bankrupcy in connection with a company.

Hope it works out and that a viable business emerges. I think that neck of the woods is replete with operators fallling over themselves to get in on the wind park action and please the customer. Even if that means business models that are not sustainable. Some Norwegian legislation would not got amiss.

helihub 20th Jun 2022 06:54


Originally Posted by Torquetalk (Post 11248447)
operators fallling over themselves to get in on the wind park action

Not forgetting that the UK has had the operation of three windfarm support EC135s have their contracts cancelled. At one time there were two EC135s operating from Sandscale HP (nr Barrow, Cumbria) and another EC135 from a Lowestoft.

Our industry seems bad at trying to get the message across to windfarm operators that the pollution produced by (slightly cheaper) chug-chug boats is far worse for their sustainability records than a point-to-point helicopter.

domperry76 20th Jun 2022 15:50

For anyone interested, Pluta, the German administrator, says: Wiking Helicopter Service Ltd is not affected by the application for insolvency.

FlyingDutch2012 17th Aug 2022 14:01

Heli Holland
 
It appears to be Heli Holland being left interested to buy the remainings.

Does anyone know if they got that UK AOC at all?

chcoffshore 18th Aug 2022 11:19


Originally Posted by FlyingDutch2012 (Post 11280111)
It appears to be Heli Holland being left interested to buy the remainings.

Does anyone know if they got that UK AOC at all?

I don't believe they did achieve their UK AOC, but i could be wrong.

newaviator 18th Aug 2022 12:00

Unifly have just been awarded a UK AOC haven't they ?

chcoffshore 18th Aug 2022 14:28


Originally Posted by newaviator (Post 11280674)
Unifly have just been awarded a UK AOC haven't they ?

Yes they have issued a press release, a couple of weeks ago.

Variable Load 18th Aug 2022 19:47

Although there's no sign of the UK registered AW169 actually flying. All flights from Humberside are still being conducted by OY-HOF.

helihub 18th Aug 2022 20:42


Originally Posted by FlyingDutch2012 (Post 11280111)
Does anyone know if they got that UK AOC at all?

As at 1st August 2022, Wiking did not have a UK AOC

FloaterNorthWest 24th Aug 2022 10:56

I hear the U.K. arm is also folding.

206 jock 24th Aug 2022 13:27


Originally Posted by FloaterNorthWest (Post 11284229)
I hear the U.K. arm is also folding.

Beccles-based machine left a couple of weeks ago.

helihub 24th Aug 2022 15:56


Originally Posted by Variable Load (Post 11280929)
Although there's no sign of the UK registered AW169 actually flying. All flights from Humberside are still being conducted by OY-HOF.

Speculation over - the UK-registered 169 (ex OY-HOW) is now plying its trade offshore and back as G-UNIA

Medevac999 24th Aug 2022 16:57


Originally Posted by 206 jock (Post 11284317)
Beccles-based machine left a couple of weeks ago.

The German Wiking business is still flying

chcoffshore 25th Aug 2022 07:17


Originally Posted by Medevac999 (Post 11284458)
The German Wiking business is still flying

Yes apparently Wiking's UK business has closed the door. The German arm is still operating, for how long who knows!


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