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EEngr 15th Oct 2021 15:20


Originally Posted by HUTCHP (Post 11126986)
First transmit pulse echo would appear in the quite time of the 2nd or 3rd transmit pulse and be interpreted as much closer distance ?

It's a distinct possibility. RAs use a system of frequency modulated continuous wave radar. A CW signal is ramped up in frequency and the reflected return signal differs in frequency based upon the travel time. So the system isn't range gated, where subsequent pulses can be spread out to avoid such misinterpretation. The failure modes would be something that a radar expert (which I am not) could expand upon.

Mogwi 15th Oct 2021 15:25

I refer my honourable friend to my previous answer.

Mog

casper64 15th Oct 2021 16:00


Originally Posted by RMK (Post 11126418)
I'd get that dodgy RadAlt sorted.

In mapping UFO sightings, you’ll see a positive correlation between low levels of education/IQs and higher levels of UFO sightings.

😂😂😂👍

Radalt is a tranceiver there can be an emitter in the vicinity which “fools” your radalt. I heard even 5G cellphone communications might cause these kind of issues!

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/ref...asa-no-2021-08

[email protected] 16th Oct 2021 06:33

Most rad alts I have flown with have a top of scale, beyond which the needle is hidden and an off or unlock flag when it is above its maximum height.

Non-PC Plod 16th Oct 2021 16:20

I dont think I have seen a helicopter radalt thats works above 2000' AGL. I am guessing because they are subject to error above this sort of value. Radalt unreliability is not uncommon for all sorts of reasons - eg it doesnt like wavy long grass. UFOs are likely to be rather a long way down the list.

aa777888 16th Oct 2021 17:37

Assuming the original poster is at all serious, this brings to mind a saying common in the medical profession: "When you hear hoofbeats think horses not zebras."

As the OP has hopefully learned from this thread, there are an awful lot of common reasons ("horses") for radar altimeters to read spuriously or erroneously, all of them clearly explainable by the laws of physics, and such events occur often enough, at all altitudes, to make extraterrestrial causes ("zebras") extremely unlikely.

At the risk of writing the glaringly obvious, it should also go without saying that "reality" TV producers and directors are exceeding good at, and quite in the habit of, making mountains out of molehills.

ericferret 16th Oct 2021 17:58


Originally Posted by [email protected] (Post 11126422)
Hmm, tricky decision when the rad alt starts to misbehave - do you :

A. Check the connections, the T/R and the aerial or

B. Assume it is alien interference.................


Ask an avionics engineer. He will confirm alien interference as there is nothing wrong with the equipment.

cattletruck 17th Oct 2021 10:48

It would be pretty cool if the aliens made the rad-alt play the Doctor Who theme like a theremin.

It would also be cool if when starting up a helicopter it made the sound of VWORP! VWORP!

RobertP 22nd Oct 2021 18:23

There is nothing wrong with equipment and it definitely is NOT alien interference.
Most Radio Altimeters are design limited for height range. Most will flag and remove the height indication when beyond design limits, but not all. Some use different FMCW processing techniques to provide limited “look ahead” features.
Some Radio Altimeters designed for special applications such as guided weapons and military aircraft use PCM instead of FMCW. These can also have different range design features. These are by definition much more expensive and PCM altimeters are not common in civil aircraft although I have seen them installed for special operational applications.
Many are unreliable overwater particularly if the surface is flat calm, the same can happen over reflective sand based terrain. Antenna position and in particular antenna spacing and surface induced discontinuities are optimised for individual aircraft and are or should be in compliance with the equipment manufacturer installation specifications. There should be FM Supplements and or operating instructions for individual aircraft.
Sincerely, Avionics Design and Systems Integration Engineer.

Winemaker 22nd Oct 2021 22:13


I've ruled out Yetis, due to the altitude involved.
Too high or too low?

Hot and Hi 5th Nov 2021 06:21

FAA Warns Of 5G Effects On Radio Altimeters
 

Originally Posted by casper64 (Post 11127037)
😂😂😂👍

Radalt is a tranceiver there can be an emitter in the vicinity which “fools” your radalt. I heard even 5G cellphone communications might cause these kind of issues!

https://tc.canada.ca/en/aviation/ref...asa-no-2021-08

And here


The FAA has issued a Special Airworthiness Information Bulletin (SAIB) alerting aviation manufacturers, operators and pilots to the potential adverse effects of new 5G wireless networks on radio altimeters. Released on Nov. 2, the bulletin—AIR-21-18—recommends that aircraft and avionics...
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