Confirm her brother e86, 817.
How it can happen, starts at 00:47 |
A passenger aboard the NZ wedding crash reported a sudden and total loss of engine power. Not sure what phase of the flight but still over the property.
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Originally Posted by eagle 86
(Post 11062567)
On a tragic note here in Oz some time back a bride was killed on the way to her wedding when the B47 being flown by, I think, her brother hit wires.
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Originally Posted by gulliBell
(Post 11061640)
It was a photo job. It seems there were 4 POB. One could speculate. Low height. Low speed. Reasonably heavy. Turn out of the wind. An oopsie moment. Before you know it high sink rate, loss of directional control, splatter. Often the way with photo job accidents. Or maybe the engine suddenly stopped at a really bad place on the H/V diagram, the end result is the same.
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@Rottenjohn, Gullibell wrote "one could speculate".
Speculate: -> form a theory or conjecture about a subject without firm evidence That's exactly what he did and have to agree, VR is a possible cause and you don't even have to be heavy for that....... |
Originally Posted by rottenjohn
(Post 11062922)
..You claim reasonably “heavy”. Did someone tell you that? Along with all your theories, your speculation and trying to sound knowledgeable makes you look like a prize dick.
My speculation speculates one of four possibilities, in order of likelihood. 1. An oopsie moment during a photo shoot at low level (don't always believe initial passenger reports about anything); 2. A sudden engine failure at a bad spot in the H/V profile. 3. A sudden engine failure outside the H/V which the pilot messed up the auto-rotation and splattered it. 4. Something else. |
I haven’t been able to fly actively for a while, so haven’t cracked open my R22 RFM recently, but I do recall a safety notice issued by Robinson regarding the risk of photo flights, a mission that might be considered by too many as simple to carry off.
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Confirm her brother e86, 817. |
Originally Posted by rotorfan
(Post 11063045)
I haven’t been able to fly actively for a while, so haven’t cracked open my R22 RFM recently, but I do recall a safety notice issued by Robinson regarding the risk of photo flights, a mission that might be considered by too many as simple to carry off.
,...but if there's one thing Robby's do, its separate those who study from those who just cram the night before the test. |
Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 11063081)
,...but if there's one thing Robby's do, its separate those who study from those who just cram the night before the test. |
VR is a possible cause and you don't even have to be heavy for that....... |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11063113)
Just once....I want to read an Accident Thread at Rotorheads where "VR" is not instantly thrust forward as a possible cause.....just once.
The area is low density altitude, as cold and low as you could hope for. Even a 4-up Robbie is not short of grunt on a short trip. |
Originally Posted by SASless
(Post 11063113)
Just once....I want to read an Accident Thread at Rotorheads where "VR" is not instantly thrust forward as a possible cause.....just once.
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Agreed, and even more so that national AIBs are so quick to propose it in reports involving larger modern generation aircraft |
Originally Posted by rotorfan
(Post 11063045)
I haven’t been able to fly actively for a while, so haven’t cracked open my R22 RFM recently, but I do recall a safety notice issued by Robinson regarding the risk of photo flights, a mission that might be considered by too many as simple to carry off.
1. An oopsie moment during a photo shoot at low level What's so dangerous about that? |
Originally Posted by Nige321
(Post 11063458)
..What's so dangerous about that?
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CM - I got your PM but your inbox is full I think
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Originally Posted by rottenjohn
(Post 11062922)
Why on earth would you even post that? Armchair expert probably with no knowledge of what happened. Be interesting to know if you have actually any idea of the circumstances. You claim reasonably “heavy”. Did someone tell you that? Along with all your theories, your speculation and trying to sound knowledgeable makes you look like a prize dick.
That the aircraft ended up in the state it did due to mismanagement is quite a reasonable thing to speculate. Plenty of R44 accidents follow a wearisome pattern of running out of power or overpitching whilst doing something - like a wedding job or a photo job - which involved lots of traps for the unwary. And it is very easy to run out of power 4 up in an R44 if you start making steep approaches/downwind approaches/low airspeed approaches. Plenty of the time folk fly them 2 up and have oodles of power in reserve. Then they add a pax or two and a few items in the seats and more than half a tank of fuel and.. hey presto: accident waiting to happen. I’d bet the farm on user error. |
Originally Posted by megan
(Post 11062755)
Confirm her brother e86, 817.
How it can happen, starts at 00:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhtNm1IGwQc |
Originally Posted by Winemaker
(Post 11063907)
... is there any escape maneuver that can be flown to recover to visual flight? ...
But the escape maneuver from my standpoint is "land", back of Walmart parking lot if you need or anywhere flat. will get you in trouble a little bit, but everything will be forgiven when come to understand that you are still alive. |
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