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no RAF helicopter has ever had a credible replacement date - such a waste of ink and hot air. Tail wheel and high TR is a must - have we not at least learnt that much!!!
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Originally Posted by 9BIT
(Post 10998513)
The Belgians have got some hardly used NH-90s in storage. I reckon we could get a good price.
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Originally Posted by JulieAndrews
(Post 10999296)
Tail wheel and high TR is a must - have we not at least learnt that much!!!
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☝🏽 The obvious choice would be Blackhawk. Watch Leonardo dangle a carrot and say they’ll build any 149 order at Yeovil.
LZ |
Maybe Blackhawk powered by something like RTM322?
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Shy - better get Michael Heseltine on the phone:ok:
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From a crewman's perspective, none of the types that have transverse seating are suitable for the crewman to move around the cabin. On the Blackhawk for instance from their seat they cannot reach the doors and have to rely on the troops to close it. RAF Crewman have always had room to move from Whirlwind to Wessex to Puma to Chinook and then Merlin. We have always been able to use the cabin with minimum of fuss from troops to freight to casevac, or mixture of all. Small low cabins are pointless no matter how many fancy digital screens at the pointy end for the pilots, if you cannot achieve the task for the Army, which is why we have them in the first place.
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Originally Posted by [email protected]
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Shy - better get Michael Heseltine on the phone:ok:
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If they intend to keep the capability 225/725 is the only choice. If they downsize then surely 149 is the choice.
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Originally Posted by huge72
(Post 11000337)
From a crewman's perspective, none of the types that have transverse seating are suitable for the crewman to move around the cabin. On the Blackhawk for instance from their seat they cannot reach the doors and have to rely on the troops to close it. RAF Crewman have always had room to move from Whirlwind to Wessex to Puma to Chinook and then Merlin. We have always been able to use the cabin with minimum of fuss from troops to freight to casevac, or mixture of all. Small low cabins are pointless no matter how many fancy digital screens at the pointy end for the pilots, if you cannot achieve the task for the Army, which is why we have them in the first place.
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Originally Posted by Mee3
(Post 11000453)
If they intend to keep the capability 225/725 is the only choice. If they downsize then surely 149 is the choice.
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H175M
With the musings on H225M/H215M any thoughts on Airbus offering H175M?? AFAIK only two government operators, albeit prapublic Royal Thai Police Aviation Division (VIP??) and Hong Kong Government Service - (Special Duties Unit and SAR/EMS support). I am not awaree of any mil developments planned...
https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...acement-for-uk Cabin space probably a tad more with headroom, then AW149 ....I suppose thats about it. cheers |
Good time to resurrect the Westland Westminster. A couple of PT6`s and job done.
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Sikorsky and Boeing
Supposedly L-M Sikorsky may be offering UH-60M / S-70i
Hmmm let’s throw Boeing into the mixed bag with Mh-139 according to their musings https://www.janes.com/defence-news/n...-later-in-2021 cheers |
UH-60M on an FMS basis would be a great MOTS purchase. FMS keeps the price very competitive. I have no idea if the RAF would go Euro after Brexit.
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Looking at the photos of the AW149, as posted above. Very nice.
However, having flown both analogue and more modern glass screen cockpits, I can’t help thinking how much could be put out of action in that cockpit by just one bullet, especially bearing in mind that a Data Aquisition Unit has to process all the information displayed. As much as I like modern displays, I’ve suffered an inflight loss of a DAU, which resulted in the loss of ALL aircraft systems information, including engine temperatures, pressures, rpm, torque, electrics, hydraulics, rotor rpm, fuel contents, the lot. Sometimes I’d prefer analogue, rather than having all the eggs in one basket. |
Crab and Shy: your posts brings back memories of flying the Rolls UH-60 with their RTM-322 installed and after the engine/airframe integration testing had been accomplished. Flew with Rolls test pilot Ken Robertson, and was impressed with both the performance of that engine, and the rigor with which they had tested same. Wouldn’t it be ironic to see something resurrect that idea this far down the road. BTW, there is some decent coverage of the Heseltine Affair in the Alan Bristow biography, but not the whole story, aircraft configuration-wise, as to why that ship wasn’t bought by the Saudi government. A missed opportunity for both companies.
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Thats a pretty strange architecture if failure of one DAU causes all systems to fail.... what about redundancy??? In the aircraft I fly at least two, in some cases even three “DAU’s” would have to fail before I loose all information.... the screens auto-reconfigure if a screen fails... etc etc..
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 11019804)
Looking at the photos of the AW149, as posted above. Very nice.
However, having flown both analogue and more modern glass screen cockpits, I can’t help thinking how much could be put out of action in that cockpit by just one bullet, especially bearing in mind that a Data Aquisition Unit has to process all the information displayed. As much as I like modern displays, I’ve suffered an inflight loss of a DAU, which resulted in the loss of ALL aircraft systems information, including engine temperatures, pressures, rpm, torque, electrics, hydraulics, rotor rpm, fuel contents, the lot. Sometimes I’d prefer analogue, rather than having all the eggs in one basket. |
Originally Posted by ShyTorque
(Post 11019804)
Looking at the photos of the AW149, as posted above. Very nice.
However, having flown both analogue and more modern glass screen cockpits, I can’t help thinking how much could be put out of action in that cockpit by just one bullet, especially bearing in mind that a Data Aquisition Unit has to process all the information displayed. As much as I like modern displays, I’ve suffered an inflight loss of a DAU, which resulted in the loss of ALL aircraft systems information, including engine temperatures, pressures, rpm, torque, electrics, hydraulics, rotor rpm, fuel contents, the lot. Sometimes I’d prefer analogue, rather than having all the eggs in one basket. |
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