2 blades helicopter
As far as I know the largest 2 blade helicopter is the bell 505 and is not IFR certified.
Is there any 2 blade helicopter certified for IFR operation? |
Bell 222/230?
Usually more to do with the number of engines but also depends on what your local authority is happy to accept. |
Originally Posted by 172510
(Post 10906932)
As far as I know the largest 2 blade helicopter is the bell 505 and is not IFR certified.
Is there any 2 blade helicopter certified for IFR operation? |
Nubian is correct.
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Bell 505 is the replacement for the Bell 206. A 5 place helicoper.
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I thought in the US you can even get your "IFR" ticket on a R22 / R44 :ugh:- are they not IFR certified, then?? :}
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Originally Posted by evil7
(Post 10910138)
I thought in the US you can even get your "IFR" ticket on a R22 / R44 :ugh:- are they not IFR certified, then?? :}
The hardest part (on pistons) is finding one with the minimum equipment. There weren't many Robbos with a full panel, but with newer aircraft having some form of glass panel that is less of a problem. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 10910192)
There weren't many Robbos with a full panel
but with newer aircraft having some form of glass panel that is less of a problem. |
Originally Posted by Bell_ringer
(Post 10910192)
Most places do IF training in VMC on VFR aircraft, nothing new about training under the hood.
The hardest part (on pistons) is finding one with the minimum equipment. There weren't many Robbos with a full panel, but with newer aircraft having some form of glass panel that is less of a problem. Flown a couple similarly equiped 22's, but I wouldn't want to try one while under the hood,...too shaky for my stomach. |
From what I can gather, the IFR training in Robinson machines is done in VMC, as the aircraft are not fully certified IFR.
The B206 is easily certified, and with glass screens and autopilot they are a pleasure to fly inside the clouds. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....20b53744a8.jpg |
If I ever got tired of enjoying the view out the windshield and felt like pretending I'm a bus driver in the sky, this thing looks pretty sweet.
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 10910553)
From what I can gather, the IFR training in Robinson machines is done in VMC, as the aircraft are not fully certified IFR.
The B206 is easily certified, and with glass screens and autopilot they are a pleasure to fly inside the clouds. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....20b53744a8.jpg |
That might have been you, Evil, slightly off centreline...
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Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 10910602)
That might have been you, Evil, slightly off centreline...
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Old story: “Speedbird 458, Approach, radar shows you slightly left of the localizer.”
“Approach, Speedbird 458 , yes and my co-pilot is slightly right of the localizer.” |
Originally Posted by Robbiee
(Post 10910546)
Spent thirty hours under the hood in a 44. It had all the basics, HSI, AI, TC, VOR, and a Garmin 430. We had two if them, but that was about fifteen years ago. Nowadays, the newer Cadets have a pretty nice glass setup...if your into playing the most boring video game eever made?
Flown a couple similarly equiped 22's, but I wouldn't want to try one while under the hood,...too shaky for my stomach. The other New England school with one typically used their Japanese instructors as their CFII because those guys were lightweight. For me, I couldn't fly with much less than 8 gallons of fuel, or I'd be out the front CG, and not much more that 15 or I'd be over gross. So, we'd fill it to 15, fly an hour, and need to refuel. Just enough fuel for one approach! The other problem with the R22 instrument trainer was it was so lightweight, it could be difficult to fly a precise altitude under the hood in the summer, as flying over a parking lot would inevitably put you in a rising column of air with subsequent gains in altitude. Finally, the things were so heavy that they were slow, meaning flying an approach was a prolonged affair ( it would only do about 85 knots in level flight ). The R44, on the other hand, makes a great instrument trainer, having lots of weight capability and the blistering speed of a Cessna 172, meaning you can actually go someplace to fly approaches, without having to arrange for overnight accommodations. As someone mentioned already, in the US you can file and fly IFR in a VFR only aircraft ( if you are appropriately rated ), you just can't go IMC. Most days that's not a problem, but can occasionally confuse ATC when you have to tell them "unable", if they give you a clearance that would take you into the clouds. 90% of the time after you patiently explain this to them, they tell you to cancel IFR and please go annoy some other facility. :} |
Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie
(Post 10910553)
The B206 is easily certified, and with glass screens and autopilot they are a pleasure to fly inside the clouds.
But also, slogging through the sky at 110 knots into the inevitable headwind is great for adding hours to the "actual IFR" column of your logbook, but not so great for actually getting anywhere! ( ok, I've always flown on high skid gear, and have been reliably informed that with low skid gear the 206 can blaze through the overcast at an astounding 115 knots ). I love many things about the 206, but it's not exactly a stellar IFR performer. But I reluctantly agree, it's fun to go in the clouds on a day when you don't have to be anywhere specific. :ugh: |
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