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BigMike 12th Sep 2020 17:56

R22 tail-rotor pedal failure
 
"A Robinson R22 helicopter’s right tail rotor pedal failed due to fatigue cracking during mustering operations, an ATSB investigation details"

https://www.atsb.gov.au/media/news-items/2020/undetected-fatigue-failure/

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....68adf4d094.png
ATSB

atakacs 12th Sep 2020 18:10

Ouch :(

Very lucky to walk away from this one !

B2N2 12th Sep 2020 18:16

Is t that something you check during the preflight?

evil7 12th Sep 2020 18:21

You check your pedals connection in the underfloor part??? :ok:

B2N2 12th Sep 2020 18:27

My mistake, from memory thought it was visible.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....fb995cb8d.jpeg

Hilico 12th Sep 2020 19:18

Have you SEEN those videos of mustering operations? There is no operation like it. But, the factory don’t seem to have tested for it.

Agile 14th Sep 2020 02:12

could one still control the tail ....
1/ with one foot alternatively in front and behind the only left pedal .. mabe not
2/ or by frictioning your foot below that one pedal ... could work?
3/ by moving your feet to the copilot side ... that I got to see!

Ascend Charlie 14th Sep 2020 03:05

Slide completely to the left side. Even if the left side of the cyclic isn't there, you can still fly with the right hand on the centre prong. It might be a bit of an exercise in the air, but chopper pilots are super-human, aren't they?

Coping with the cg change is something else, though. Main fuel on left side.

bellfest 14th Sep 2020 03:28

A victim of the old 4000 psi of pressure on one pedal, 4001 psi on the direction of turn...........

TWOTBAGS 14th Sep 2020 05:18

Hey AC.
I wonder if it was result of a Hufnagel sequence maneuver?
LOL

Ascend Charlie 14th Sep 2020 07:39

T-Bags, Oh, I wish I could have photographed your eyes when you saw that one happen! Looked like VASIS, but both red!

huey 14th Sep 2020 10:10

I teach students who are bracing both feet against the pedals to place their right foot on the floor. Torque in the 22 is taking the nose right, so it’s actually very easy to fly left foot only. Apply left foot/pedal, nose yaws left. Bring left foot/pedal back and Nose yaws right.

Teaches the students that they are being far too heavy with their feet.


So in the case of this chopper, I’d say no problem getting it down safely.

Huey

aa777888 14th Sep 2020 10:47


Originally Posted by huey (Post 10884956)
So in the case of this chopper, I’d say no problem getting it down safely.

The article said the pedals became jammed. That's a bit more challenging than just having a single, operable pedal, if I'm understanding your statement correctly?

huey 15th Sep 2020 00:19

Ah, I missed that bit. Yes jammed pedals would make things far more difficult.

Huey

rotorfan 15th Sep 2020 15:51


Originally Posted by bellfest (Post 10884688)
A victim of the old 4000 psi of pressure on one pedal, 4001 psi on the direction of turn...........

I think you’re spot on. That tubing is thin-wall, but sufficient for the light pressures of the R22. I just flew a 22 for the first time in 15 years and found myself tensing up and overcontrolling, no doubt with more pedal pressure than needed.

[email protected] 15th Sep 2020 16:26

I once took control from a student who was messing up a steep turn (not in a Robbie) and couldn't move the pedals as he had tensed up and was pushing very hard with both feet - I had to shout at him to take his feet off the pedals so I could recover to S and L flight.

rottenjohn 18th Sep 2020 02:43


Originally Posted by Ascend Charlie (Post 10884685)
Slide completely to the left side. Even if the left side of the cyclic isn't there, you can still fly with the right hand on the centre prong. It might be a bit of an exercise in the air, but chopper pilots are super-human, aren't they?

Coping with the cg change is something else, though. Main fuel on left side.

so if you have your right hand on the center prong what do you move the other “prong “ with?

Agile 18th Sep 2020 05:10

OK I got an idea for people with long legs
  1. Slide one leg to the passenger side, scoot over to the middle location (one but chick on each seat)
  2. grab the center prong and fly the helo like a middle cyclic stick aircraft
  3. grab the passenger collective for pitch control
Last step, let the NTSB figure it out at the scene of the crash

Bell_ringer 18th Sep 2020 06:11


Originally Posted by Agile (Post 10887652)
OK I got an idea for people with long legs
  1. Slide one leg to the passenger side, scoot over to the middle location (one but chick on each seat)
  2. grab the center prong and fly the helo like a middle cyclic stick aircraft
  3. grab the passenger collective for pitch control
Last step, let the NTSB figure it out at the scene of the crash

Shouldn't be a lengthy investigation, the rectal center collective will be a dead giveaway.

cattletruck 18th Sep 2020 10:14

Yep, that lingering outback bull dust gets into everything.

Switching sides will only confirm that.


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