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nomorehelosforme 20th Aug 2020 14:53

Another low flying fairground incident.
 
Surely not a Robinson still doing tour flights at 11.00pm.......LIVINGSTON PARISH- Residents in Livingston Parish expressed concern late Tuesday night when they reportedly spotted a helicopter flying so low they were sure it was on its way to crashing.

The calls to emergency personnel came in around 11 p.m., some saying they'd seen the helicopter flying extremely low near the Parish fairgrounds, which are off Florida Boulevard near North Range Road.

Some told first responders they also heard a loud noise and assumed the helicopter had crashed.

The helicopter did not crash, according to representatives with the Livingston Parish Sheriff's Office. Early Wednesday morning, the Sheriff's Office confirmed that the helicopter landed safely in Hammond with no injuries.

Some believe the loud noise Livingston eyewitnesses heard was due to the helicopter hitting a few trees.

At this time, the identity of the individual manning the helicopter and the organization the aircraft may be affiliated with remain unknown.

At times, helicopters are legally allowed to fly lower than other aircraft as it’s much easier for them to perform emergency landings than it is for other aircrafts. In addition to this, they’re often used by law enforcement and emergency medical service agencies, requiring a bit of leeway from the Federal Aviation Authority (FAA)

Robbiee 20th Aug 2020 16:24

Here, maybe this will liven it up for ya?


ApolloHeli 20th Aug 2020 19:44

Forgive the stupid question but are commercial operations allowed at night on single engines in the U.S.A.?

Gordy 20th Aug 2020 21:08


Originally Posted by ApolloHeli (Post 10866267)
Forgive the stupid question but are commercial operations allowed at night on single engines in the U.S.A.?

There are no stupid questions, but the answer is yes.....why would a twin be required?

ApolloHeli 20th Aug 2020 21:17


Originally Posted by Gordy (Post 10866304)
There are no stupid questions, but the answer is yes.....why would a twin be required?

Here in Europe singles aren't allowed to be used for Commercial Air Transport operations at night. Anything single and rotary after civil twilight generally can only be private.

Ascend Charlie 20th Aug 2020 21:26

In Oz, night charter is in a twin, and the pilot must hold an instrument rating.

SFIM 20th Aug 2020 21:41


Forgive the stupid question but are commercial operations allowed at night on single engines in the U.S.A.?
A couple of years ago I asked this exact question here

https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/61...ight-quiz.html

for me now as it was then it’s all about the stabilisation not the number of engines.


Robbiee 20th Aug 2020 22:20


Originally Posted by ApolloHeli (Post 10866311)
Here in Europe singles aren't allowed to be used for Commercial Air Transport operations at night. Anything single and rotary after civil twilight generally can only be private.

Is engine failure your number one cause of accidents there? Ours is wire strikes (second by weather, I believe) which don't care how many engines you have.

ApolloHeli 21st Aug 2020 06:45


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 10866349)
Is engine failure your number one cause of accidents there? Ours is wire strikes (second by weather, I believe) which don't care how many engines you have.

I'm not sure what the reasoning behind that regulation is but I'm certain it's not new.

John R81 21st Aug 2020 08:37

I believe that the reason behind the regulation is that originally helicopters all had piston engines, which were less reliable than they are today. The rule was made and never revoked, despite engines becoming more reliable.

chopjock 21st Aug 2020 09:13

What is a low flying fairground?

chopjock 21st Aug 2020 09:16


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 10866349)
Is engine failure your number one cause of accidents there? Ours is wire strikes (second by weather, I believe) which don't care how many engines you have.

So you mean pilot error then? As is everywhere else...

Bell_ringer 21st Aug 2020 09:46


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 10866349)
Is engine failure your number one cause of accidents there? Ours is wire strikes (second by weather, I believe) which don't care how many engines you have.

Laws exist to protect the people on the ground, not only those in the air.
In dense urban environments there is little margin for error and a low probability of a forced landing that can be safely done without damage to people and property, and magically redundant powerplants help reduce that risk.
Since most traffic is commercial in rotorwing the regulations probably make sense to those that make the regs.
That pilots have a habit of flying into things doesn't negate the concept of probability.

Low flying is a regular killer, so cowboy operators that make their livelihoods by offering thrill rides to uninformed members of the public, are just riding the statistical curve towards a smoking hole in the ground.
Still, it's a great way to generate ongoing demand for Frank and co. :}

Bell_ringer 21st Aug 2020 10:02


Originally Posted by John R81 (Post 10866616)
I believe that the reason behind the regulation is that originally helicopters all had piston engines, which were less reliable than they are today. The rule was made and never revoked, despite engines becoming more reliable.

Philosophical question: are engines more reliable today?
From a design and manufacturing perspective components are possibly of a more consistent quality, but failures almost always end up due to poor or lack of maintenance, or poor installation.
The human aspects have not changed.
The volumes of flight hours have increased, as has urban density so if anything the risks are greater now than they were before.

nomorehelosforme 21st Aug 2020 11:13


Originally Posted by Robbiee (Post 10866349)
Is engine failure your number one cause of accidents there? Ours is wire strikes (second by weather, I believe) which don't care how many engines you have.

I don't think you will find any official reports that state the wire or the weather caused an accident.... unless you believe everything you read in your daily tabloid news reports.

Shackman 21st Aug 2020 11:42

Apolloheli:

Anything single and rotary after civil twilight generally can only be private.
Or military (although admittedly all the Squirrels and, I believe, Gazelles have now been withdrawn).

nonsense 21st Aug 2020 12:09


Originally Posted by chopjock (Post 10866651)
What is a low flying fairground?

It's an oblique reference to this earlier thread from November last year.

homonculus 21st Aug 2020 13:15


the regulations probably make sense to those that make the regs
As with the government's response to Covid, too true.

As with the government's response to Covid, the common man is disadvantaged and has to obey

aa777888 21st Aug 2020 13:37


Originally Posted by Bell_ringer (Post 10866697)
Low flying is a regular killer, so cowboy operators that make their livelihoods by offering thrill rides to uninformed members of the public, are just riding the statistical curve towards a smoking hole in the ground.

How does that have anything to do with the operation that was described in the original post, which, other than occurring in the vicinity of a fairground, almost certainly had nothing to do with fairs or helicopter ride concessions?

It's been a very sad year around here: all of the fairs and other events that would normally have enjoyed a helicopter ride concession have been cancelled due to the pandemonium :(

Bell_ringer 21st Aug 2020 13:46


Originally Posted by aa777888 (Post 10866877)
How does that have anything to do with the operation that was described in the original post, which, other than occurring in the vicinity of a fairground, almost certainly had nothing to do with fairs or helicopter ride concessions?

apart from low-flying? Very little.


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